10 Lies The Black Church Tells About Being Gay – Church Folks Do Lie!

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Today is Tuesday and I’m not in the mood to go there with some of y’all and y’alls church. However, I did come across this list called “10 Lies The Black Church Tells About Being Gay” that I thought was worth sharing. I’m hesitant sometimes about posting thins like this because often times the comments section because a cesspool for hate and not a breeding ground for learning. I’ll say this, we are all entitled to our beliefs and rights to exercise whatever religion we would like. However, I feel we don’t not have the right to exercise our views and religious beliefs to the magnitude in which it infringes upon others peoples ability to live peacefully.

I too was a kid who grew up in the church with a grandmother who let it be known from the time i was a toddler that you would burn in hell if you were gay. The terms faggot, sissie, and punk were used so freely as a child that even now I don’t get what the big deal is about calling people faggots. That word was common place in the streets of Miami. Non the less, during my evolution, the last battle I had to fight was this internal conflict that God did not accept me because I was gay, yet I was born this way, yet i was perfect because I was made in his likeness and his image. Chile i was so damn tired of being confused I just rejected the whole damn notion. It’s silly.

I could go on and on regarding this subject. Check out the list and let me know what you think.

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  1. Demon possession. There is no homosexual demon or any demon of that nature. It’s a lie and silly one at that.
  2. Homosexuality is designed to break up the black family. No, ignorance and bigotry causes the problems in the family. A true loving family looks beyond someone’s sexuality or gender, and remains loving and supportive.
  3. You can be delivered from homosexuality through prayer. Nope, you can’t pray the gay away, but you will waste a lot of time on your knees.
  4. Finding someone of the opposite sex to chase away “those feelings”. That doesn’t work. Why would you force yourself to be with someone you are not attracted to?
  5. Lack of a father figure leads to homosexuality. That’s a huge myth; many LGBT people come from a two-parent household.
  6. Sexual abuse is the cause of homosexuality… Please.
  7. The Bible says it’s a sin. Okay, if we’re going to play that game the Bible also says being drunk is a sin and debating is a sin. Hell, they’re over 600 sins. If you are going to pick just one, you have to pick them all.
  8. You are a broken person if you are gay, trans or lesbian. Donnie McClurkin preaches to his church members that we are broken, and we will never be whole until we give up our homosexuality. This is also a lie. By being honest and open, we are completely whole and true to ourselves.
  9. Homosexuality is a curse. Really? It’s not a spell from a wicked queen. It’s who we are; it’s who we’re meant to be.
  10. You will burn in Hell. I can’t imagine burning in Hell for being yourself or sharing your life with someone you love. If this is so wrong, how can we be capable of love?

Compiled by Victor Kerney – The belirico Project

I had a friend tell me once that in middle school, his mother and uncle suspected he was gay. They decided to perform an exorcism on him in the kitchen and cast the demon out. Want to know what happened to him? He went off to college, married a girl, had two kids with her, then all hell broke lose. It ended in secrets, divorce, and a whole lot of heartache. Guess what? The demon must have returned cause he is gay again, as if he ever was not. Chile please people. Wake up.. #BornThisWay
Ohh and Donnie McClurkin is just as gay as he wants to be. If you let that fool lead you, you are a damn idiot. Chile I was in New York one time doing some work for VH1 and he was walking down the street in front of me just a switching and a twitching. We both entered the same restaurant. He was met by a young man, presumably his lover or one of those church queens that pastors LOVE to keep around. Their interactions at dinner were questionable to say the least…

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98 thoughts on “10 Lies The Black Church Tells About Being Gay – Church Folks Do Lie!

  1. the bible says woe unto those who call evil good and good evil. that means thereare going to be a whole lot of cheerleaders and supporters of sin in hell with the sinners they cheered on. i see a lot of folks on here dont know or care about that warning from God either

  2. dineva, everybody has to REPENT. most pll going to hell that u know and pass by every day. the bible is clear no sexually immoral person, fornicator, adulterer, liar, selfish, hateful, unforgiving , unbelieving, substance abusers, sorcerers (drug users) etc etc ETC are entering the kingdom of God without repenting and turning to faith in Jesus who is PERFECTION. there is no other way.

    without holiness no man will see the LORD and some ppl might say good i dont want to meet God anyway but that leaves u to only end up in one other place…how many of us are willing to humble ourselves and acknowledge our sin against God and repent??? the answer is not many. most are in denial, defiance, dead and blind spiritually to their self destructive condition and destiny. most dont believe Jesus is the only way. they are counting on using their “natural man ” excuse before the Lord at the throne. i warn u all by the time u are in front of Jesus, it will be too late to argue ur case, make excuses, point blame, strike up a deal…too late understand? TODAY is the day of salvation. repent, make ur ways strait with God now. Godspeed to u all

  3. I am so sorry that the people gays run in to are those who exaggerate the point to further there agenda. Bad Spirits inhabit all sorts of people, not just gays and prayer does change things. So yes you can pray the gay away. What GOD delivers you from your delivered from. It can be alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. I am not going to get into a long post rather say, “I love you’ and when you finally here the truth, you will know.

  4. Funky Dineva, I am so sorry that you were left confused as a child thinking that God does not love you. I REALLY wish Christians would STUDY the Word of God and not skim through it. That’s why the Word says to study to show thyself approved. Better yet, stop relying solely on what someone says. I am a believer and NO WHERE in the bible does it say you’re going to hell because you’re gay. If that were the case, EVERYBODY is going to hell!! These bible thumpers work my last nerve!! The truth of the matter is, you were fearfully and wonderfully made. “There is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus.” SoGod is not condemning you AT ALL nor is he judging you. Note: the ones who are ccondemning are NOT God. Until they have a heaven or a hell to put you in, they DO NOT have the final say so over your life. It urkes me when I hear someone say “God doesn’t love them!” The devil is a lie. YOU WERE made perfect inHIS image!! To any homosexual reading this, I know you have been hurt by “the church”, but let me appeal to yoy and say, “God DOES NOT operate like that!” If he intended you to be perfect, there would have never been any reason to send His Son to die on the cross. God knew before time ever began to begin, that we ALL would need a Savior. The book of Ephesians clearly states that we are not to walk in guilt or shame because Christ took care of that on the cross. God ain’t trippin off of you being gay!!! How about that!?! There is nothing that you will ever do in this life, that will make Him turn His back on you. He is TRULY a loving God! The problem is we ALL have gotten tripped up on a lie somebody told us and now we live in fear and shame. This is why it is SOO important for you to get to know Him for yourself. God is about personal relationships. He desires to have a personal relationship with you. I know a number of homosexuals who have a better relationship with The Lord than most heterosexuals. Dineva, I find you to be extremely intelligent and whether you realize it or not, you are vey wise. My prayer is that for you and those reading this come into a TRUE understanding of who God really is and not the lies you’ve been told about who He is. No one goes to hell because of their condition, regardless of what that may be. The ticket to hell depends on the choice you make whether or not to accept Him. I grew up in church all my life too & found about 10 years ago I had it all wrong. I was told I was going to hell for any and everything. I literally feared God. I was scared half to death until I got to know Him for myself. It was then that I learned God does not require us to live Jesus’ life, but to allowwHim to live His life through us. God knows we would fail miserably, everyday of our lives. I didn’t plan on writing this much, but regardless of what you choose to devote your life to, understand that what you’ve been taught about Him is a bold faced lie. God loves you more than you know and wishes that no man perish. If nothing else, just know you’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled. ;)

    • oh ur confused. see, somewhere down the line u replaced the REAL Jesus who said be holy as i am holy and be perfect as God is perfect and cast off and away anything that causes u to sin so u dont get tossed into hell forever bc of it and that His mothers, sisters, brothers are those who hear the word of God, and do it and that without Holiness no man will see God and also that everyone is to REPENT and glorify God and that we MUST be born again and have a renewed mind body spirit or u can forget heaven. THATS what the REAL Jesus said.

      these last days Jesus has been replaced with a hippie idol love doll “jesus ” that allows everybody to do what they want, live how they want, serve their every flesly desire. who is this “jesus ” u speak of? u are too busy quoting every hellbound person u read online or know in the world but i guarantee u aint quoted no Jesus Christ, no Word of God or ud be encouraing everybody everywhere to repent while God is still merciful, gracious, and loooooong suffering towards us. u are not a christian. u are a liar and a heathen

      • KAYKAY, YOU BETTER SPEAK WHAT JESUS SPOKE! LOL!:-)

        JOHN 3:3 ” Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kindgom of GOD.” (JESUS SPOKE THIS!)

        JOHN 5:24 ” Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth (this means not to reject anything of what the Full Counsel (Gospel of Jesus Christ, both the old and new testament)-the Word of God teaches) and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.” (JESUS SPOKE THIS!)

        JOHN 6:65 ” Therefore said I unto you, (speaking to the disciples about a betrayer of the group, JUDAS that is, saying this) that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.” JUDAS WAS INDEED ONE OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST, LET’S GET THAT STRAIGHT, THAT MEANS HE WALKED, SPOKE, ATE, DRINK, ETC.; WITH JESUS AND THE REST OF THE DISCIPLINES. HOWEVER, JESUS SAID WHAT HE SAID IN THIS PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE ABOVE, BECAUSE HE KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT JUDAS WAS A BETRAYER OF HIM AND THAT MANY OF THE SO CALLED DISCIPLES, THEY TOO THAT FOLLOWED CHRIST DID NOT TRULY AND FULLY BELIEVED THAT HE WAS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE MESSIAH, GOD’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WHO WOULD COME INTO THE WORLD, NOT TO CONDEMN THE WORLD BUT SO THE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED (JOHN 3:17). FURTHERMORE, TO CONCLUDE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE. YOU CAN CLAIM ALL YOU WANT, THAT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN BUT IF YOU DO NOT SINCERELY BELIEVE IN JESUS AND FOLLOW HIS TEACHINGS AND HIS WAYS, THEN YOU ARE JUST LIKE JUDAS AND THE REST OF THE PRETENDING DISCIPLES THAT WERE ONLY THERE WHEN EVERYTHING SOUNDED, WORKED OUT GOOD FOR THEMSELVES BUT, WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR THE STORMS AND TRUE TESTING OF ONE’S FAITH IN CHRIST BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE GOING TO COMPROMISE (CONFORMING) WITH/ FOR WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE (THE WORLD) WAS SAYING, LIVING, AND DOING; INSTEAD OF OPERATING IN A CHRISTLIKE LIFESTYLE AND TAKING UP THEIR CROSS AND WALKING ACCORDINGLY TO GOD’S WILL, THEY OPT/DECIDED TO WALK AWAY AND BE SCATTED OUT AWAY FROM THE THINGS OF GOD INSTEAD. AGAIN, THIS ALONE LIKE ALL THE OTHER PASSAGES OF SCRIPTURES PROVIDES AND PROMOTES GODLY LIFESTYLE IN GOD’S INCREDIBLE OF INSTRUCTING MAN OF WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, HOW, AND WHY SHOULD LIVE ACCORDING TO GOD’S PLAN.

        JOHN 7:24 ” Judge not according to appearance, but judge RIGHTEOUS judgment.”

        PRAISE GOD AND HALLELUJAH!:-)

        THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS KAYKAY, I REALLY ENJOYED READING YOUR POST, AT LEAST SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS AND KNOWS THE TRUTH!:-)

        BE ENCOURAGE AND KNOW THAT, THIS SISTER IN CHRIST HAS YOUR BACK, WE ARE TO STAND TOGETHER ON PREACHING AND TEACHING THE FULL GOSPEL OF JESUS PERIOD IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT THE OH SO FOOLISH WORLD HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT!

        AMEN!

        BRITTNEY L. BUTLER

      • KAY KAY….. GIRLLLLL U TALKING GOOD .. I LOVVE IT… PPL HAVE IT ALL WRONG.. ALL SINNERS ARE GOING TO HELL… GOD LUVS US, BUT HATES THE SIN.. REPENT (AND TURN AWAY)

  5. WAKE UP PEOPLE WE ARE IN OUR LAST DAYS!! GOD ALMIGHTY GOD, KING OF KINGS, PRINCE OF PEACE, ETC.; IS COMING BACK SOON FOR THE REAL BODY OF CHRIST! THE ONES WHO BELIEVE IN HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON… JESUS CHRIST AND KNOWING AND LIVING IT OUT THROUGH THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST, THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN! IF THESE SATAN FOLLOWERS ON THIS SITE, THE ONES WHO HAVE NOT BEEN RECONCILED UNTO CHRIST WANT TO BLATANTLY DISRESPECT WHAT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS AND SAY IT IS OK TO LIVE IN A HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE, WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST (THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOD WILL IS) THEN LET THE CONTINUE TO BASH US (REAL CHRISTIANS) AND CHRIST NAME FOR HIS SAKE! I MEAN, WHO IS ACTUALLY DUMB, ARROGANT, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, THINK THAT THEY ARE ALL OF THAT, AND DO NOT HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOTHING AND NOBODY ENOUGH, TO DIE WITHOUT CHRIST ( IN ADDITION TO LIVING ACCORDING TO THE FULL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST- BELIEVING AND EXCISING OUR FAITH IN CHRIST) ANYWAY? I WILL TELL YOU WHO… CHILDREN OF THE DEMONIC ONE SATAN! MAN YOU IGNORANT AND POOR LOST FOOLISH SOULS, BUT TRUST WHEN I SAY THIS FURTHERMORE, BRITTNEY IS SINCERELY PRAYING FOR ALL OF THE LOST ONES WHO ARE NOT APART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST YET. PLEASE KNOW THAT GOD HAS, IS, AND WILL ALWAYS LOVE HIS CREATION (PEOPLE) BUT NOT THE ENEMY OF YOUR SOUL AND HIS DECEITFUL NATURE (SIN) INCLUDING HIS MOST TRUEST, DEDICATED (FOLLOWERS) FALLEN ANGELS…DEVILS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, THOSE WHO SAY AND ACT IN A MANNER SO MUCH SO THAT THEY LOVE THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE (NOTICE I SAID LIFESTYLE THE ACTION OF LIVING OUT A FORM/OR TYPE OF WAY, NOT HATING THE PERSON THEMSELVES) AND SINS IN GENERAL WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ACTUALLY MAKING IT AN APPOINT TO DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO SINFUL LIVING WITHOUT HAVING ANY CONVICTION, SHAME, DISGUST, ETC.; ABOUT THE WRONG THAT THEY DO AGAINST GOD’S PEOPLE, COMMANDMENTS, AND JUDGEMENT. THEN KNOW THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CONDEMNED TO AN ETERNAL HELL, UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO GOD’S WORD ONLY AND NOT THEIR OWN OR THE WORLD’S. GOD GAVE EVERYONE FREE WILL TO LIVE AND SPEAK WHAT THEY WANT, BUT KNOW THAT IN DOING THIS, YOU (THEY) WILL EITHER BE SUBJECTED BY GOOD CONSCIENCES OR HORRIFIC ONES! CHRISTIANS, WHICH INCLUDES MYSELF! STAND ON GOD’S WORD, HOLD YOU GROUND, BE COURAGEOUS, DON’T BE COWARDS LIKE THE WORLDLY PEOPLE. KNOW THAT WHEN WE (CHRISTIANS) SAY THIS IS WHAT THUS SAYTH THE LORD (OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN) PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE RIGHTEOUSLY INSTRUCTING, CORRECTING, LOVING, AND YES JUDGING (NOT THE PEOPLE) BUT (THEIR ACTIONS) WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG!:-) THE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING THIS (RIGHTEOUSLY JUDGING ONES FRUIT- ACTIONS). HOWEVER, WHAT IS WRONG IS, UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGING SUCH AS FOR AN EXAMPLE (I HATE CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THEY JUDGE ME BY THE NEGATIVE FRUITS THAT I BEAR UNTO THEM CALLING THEM EVERY HATEFUL NAME IN THE BOOK BECAUSE I AM SO SELF-RIGHTEOUS IN THINKING THAT I AM ALWAYS PERFECT NEVER MAKE ANY MISTAKES, SO THEREFORE, AUTHORITIES AND NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CORRECT ME OF WHAT I AM DOING WRONG BECAUSE, I DON’T WANT TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT I DON’T/CAN’T SEEM TO MUSTER UP THE COURAGE TO DO SO WITH CHRIST’S HELP OF COURSE. (OR) ALSO, THIS IS YET ANOTHER WAY OF INADEQUATELY MISJUDGING A PERSON, (GROUP OF PEOPLE) I HATE BLACKS OR BLACK CHURCHES BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK AND UNEDUCATED, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. CHRISTIANS PLEASE GOD AND NOT MAN, THE LORD WILL LEAD US HOME BUT MAN AND HIS EVIL WAYS WILL LEAD US INTO DESTRUCTION…HELL! NOW ALL OF YOU UNBELIEVERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST, PHARISEES, SCRIBES, ETC.; MARINATE ON AND TALK ABOUT THAT!

    SINCERELY THE ONE THAT CONDEMNERS (AGAINST/ANTI- CHRIST) LOVE TO HATE,

    BRITTNEY LATRICE BUTLER,

    A CHILD OF THE MOST HIGH GOD!

    • PLEASE EVERYONE, EXCUSE MY TYPOS IN MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE, THIS WAS MY FAULT AND I DO NOT BLAME ANYONE ELSE FOR THE MISSPELLED WORDS AND SOME OF THE GRAMMAR ERRORS, I KNOW BETTER THAN THIS, SO HERE IS WHAT I WILL PROPOSE AS A SOLUTION TO MY PREVIOUS MISTAKE. WHERE THERE WERE THESE WORDS MISSPELLED/IMPROPER GRAMMAR USAGE, HERE IS WHAT I MEANT TO TYPE (INSTEAD OF USING THESE WORDS/PUNCTUATION MARKS IN CERTAIN SENTENCES BASED ON THE CONTENT, AND CONTEXT MEANING OF THE STRUCTURED NATURE OF THE SENTENCE; YOU (YOUR), THE (THERE), (, ;) , ETC. (I PRETTY SURE YOU MAY FIND MORE ERRORS, NONETHELESS, PLEASE DISREGARD THEM, I AM SURE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FILL IN THE BLANKS AND/OR READ BETWEEN THE LINES. HOWEVER, ME TYPING IN ALL CAPS WAS DONE ON PURPOSE BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET PEOPLE’S ATTENTION, SO THANKS TO THOSE WHO DO ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES AND ABSENCES OF USING PROPER GRAMMAR USE BUT FOR THOSE WHO DON’T AGAIN, PLEASE ACCEPT MY MISHAPS AND HAVE A NICE DAY. :)

      -BRITTNEY

  6. I stopped at point 1. Not sure where you got this list from but DEMONS most definitely do exist ! See Matthew 8:16, Matthew 1:25-26, Mark 9:25 ….and so on and so on. Do not try to justify your sins. You KNOW it’s wrong.

  7. “For God so loved the world, that “whosoever” believeth in him, shall not perish but have everlasting life.” This is a scripture that I go by daily. I am a lesbian and have been a lesbian since a child. I grew up never being physically attracted to men. I was raised by a Pentalcostal bible-thumping grandmother from birth. The church I was raised in taught that homosexuality was wrong and would send you to hell, yet my female pastor had previously slept with women. Humph!

    I played the drums and piano in church and prayed a lot growing up from the ages of 5-18. I would pray some nights for God to take this so called “homosexual spirit” away from me. Needless to say, that NEVER happened! Got to high school and girls were talking about how fine Jim or John was and I found myself quiet during these conversations. Knowing internally that I was not like my peers. There were lesbians who went to my high school, but I was too frightened and scared to befriend them. Scared that someone would know.

    Once I turned 18, I finally starting talking to a girl. I revealed first to my best friend at the time that I was gay. She laughed and said she knew a long time ago and it didn’t matter to her. She was raised in the church just like me. The only one person that never judged me. Soon after I told her about it, I told my grandmother. The floodgates of hell broke open and I was casted in the lake fire. I swear she told every member of the church and talked about me like a dog. I was only 18 and had just graduated high school and was on my way to college. Never once did she congratulate me on this milestone that hadn’t happened in my family in a couple of years. Instead, I was on my way to college and feeling like pure crap during the most celebratory time of my life. Every day she called me a nasty lesbian and told me I was on my way to hell and that I should be ashamed of myself. She even stated one day that it would have been best had I NOT been born :-(

    This drove me into a deep depression that caused me to drop out of college after only attending 5 mths. As the years went by and I grew older and maintained my own personal relationship with God, he revealed to me so many things through prayer. When I was around 18-23, I would lash back out at my grandmother and tell her things like she was a hypocrite or that she caused a setback in my life. But through prayer, I learned to just ignore her homosexual slurs and cloath her in pure love. I would follow up any slur she would have to say either with silence or by just telling her that I love her.

    I’m now 28yrs old and have been with my soon to be wife for 3 1/2years now. That same grandmother calls me every chance she gets to ask me how are “we” doing. She talks on the phone to my girlfriend and just the other day told my girlfriend that she loves us both. And who said that God doesn’t answer prayers?

    Despite all the things she put me through just for being myself, I love her. I hope this story shows the TRUE power of love. I pray that this touches the heart of someone who has been feeling that God doesn’t love them or has forgotten them. I pray that you reconnect to God and give him your heart today because he DOES love you. God cares about what is in your heart. He loves a good clean heart. The Bible says The Lord has no respect of person. Love conquers all and God “IS” love. Be blessed! :-)

  8. In. The beginnning there was adam and eve man and woman.b fruitful and multify.(have sex make babies) can two men do this? I rest my case

      • Under this logic, what if ALL were gay? Lol we would cease to exist. Reality is MOST MEN AND WOMEN are able to procreate and a sperm and egg makes a baby. Combining two eggs or two sperm DOES NOT! Nothing about morality, it’s about nature and the longevity of the human race.

    • What about those that be fruitful outside of “marriage”? Does that make them right? Come on now, a sin is a sin. EVERYBODY will have to answer to their own. I just don’t agree with the world condeming GAYS when people out here having babies after babies without marriage, but yet we increasing their foodstamps lol.. Jesus died so we can all live freely without dealth because of our sins. However, the good book says we have to get it right before he comes back. I’m not going to say its the last days because I been hearing that since I 6 years old, but the grace and mercy is going to run out soon. I WILL CONTINUE TO LOVE MY GAY, DRUG ADDICTED, PREGNANT WITH MARRIAGE, SHOPLIFTING, GOSSIPING, SLUTTY, WHORISH, LYING, ADULTRY FRIENDS and will continue to treat them all the same in LOVE. If I haven’t named your sin, no worries GOD know :-)

  9. I think some people have really got the good book twisted. I’ll leave the judgements to God. Nature is still my favorite church.

  10. Straight, folks go every month n visit a family member or a loved one in prison, pray for them, n past judgement on a gay person! Gtfoh!

  11. Willette and many other black Christians (and white alike) who do not accept (which we don´t need, we really just want yall to shut the fuck up) are choosing to be willfully ignorant. They don´t want to love. They want to be able to call us sinners, I guess because they think it will reserve a seat for them in heaven. “Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom but, with all thy getting, get and understanding.-Proverbs 4:7″- your black gay atheist friend

  12. the fact you can love someone in spite of is the greatest act of Christianity or have you not read the bible? There´s nothing ignorant about that…. Now, I don´t have any kids but anyone who reads the bible knows that the sin is the act of fornication or adultery, not the baby if a baby come as a result… all in all, if you don´t want to believe what the word of God says about ALL SIN, then by all means don´t, but how can you call yourself a Christian and don´t believe the word of God? That´s HYPOCRISY!!!!

  13. why is it only the black church? dont all churches believe being gay is a sin for the most part. i dont see the point in making this about the black church when most religions view this issue the same

  14. I wish I worked in the government for the No Child Left Behind policy because it´s a bunch of y´all confused chirrens on this post who CLEARLY got left behind when they were giving out SENSE! You love your gay family but they “know where you stand”, homosexuality is a sin but you can get stuck in the vaj & ass by a stranger after the club and that´s okay, you love who? God? God is ashamed of you and I´m ashamed of everybody who had something to do with y´all´s upbringing!! Intolerant idiots! Y´all sound like white folks used to talk about us back in the day!! Remember? When niggas weren´t humans & were creatures of the devil? Yeah all those good white Christian southern folk spewed that shit just like y´all are.

  15. Oooh where´s all the likes and comments on this one?! Y´all are right here to laugh and chit chat with Dineva but when your religious hypocrisy is brought to light y´all disappear!! Just like those Christians! Your whole life is a sin. Your bastard kids are a sin. Your baby daddy is a sin. Your tattoos are sins. Your lack of a job is a sin. Your fatty foods and the glutton with which you eat them are a sin!! Please try to get over yourselves!!!!

  16. I love how Christians have all the answers from a book that was cherry-picked by a self-righteous king. They know what God thinks and how He feels. Someone’s logic is flawed. He can’t have made me be born a lesbian just to condemn me. I cannot control I am attracted to any more than a straight person. What if the Bible said if you don’t eat peas, you’re committing a sin, but you in your heart of hearts despise them or even have an allergy? Are you condemned to Hell because you were born with that allergy or dislike of peas? Does that mean that person’s hatred of peas is a defect? It can’t be… because we were all made perfectly, in His image, right? Idk… I have waaaaaaaaaaay too much to say about this topic, but I just can’t with Christians anymore. I am SO OVER the Bible, religion, the Black church’s slave mentality and unGodly behavior… according to your Bible, didn’t Jesus tell ya’ll to quit worrying about the speck in your brother’s eye cuz you have a whole forest in your own, anyway? Ijs… #sweeparoundyourownfrontdoor

  17. There are real some uneducated bigots on this here post child! And you bible thumpers need to know that religion is a manmade lie and you´ve made the CHOICE to participate in it. The bible is a history book and it isn´t meant to be taken literally, if it was then all y´all would be DEAD to the bed! So stop your going around calling gays sinners and that they make the choice to be gay. How the hell would you know? It amazes me how confident people who are not gay can be about something they perceivably hate.

      • Can a barren woman make a baby? What in the hell does making babies have to do with anything you idiot?!?! Do you know how many same-sex couples adopt children that were left on a corner by their straight parents? I have a question for you Sharon. Can heterosexual couples create homosexual babies?

  18. No one chooses to be anything. I didn´t choose heterosexuality. I´m physically attracted to men. It wasn´t taught to me, nor could it be beaten or sexually abused out of me. I believe that it´s the same way for gay people.

  19. “I’ll say this, we are all entitled to our beliefs and rights to exercise whatever religion we would like. However, I feel we don’t not have the right to exercise our views and religious beliefs to the magnitude in which it infringes upon others peoples ability to live peacefully.” <—– this kind of sense-making don't rest in the bosom of most.

    Dineva see this is why I fux with the Doll! I LIVE for your videos just because I get tickled at all your little R&B references and shit and you just tickle me in general with your spot-on analysis of all kinds of fuck shit, right? But now I done got high and caught the Holy Ghost from the above statement. When I used to deal with White Jesus I never understood how the people didn't understand that it was possible to exercise their faith without having to pick on those who do not. Keep doing your thing!

  20. So when God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah which is where the word “sodomize” comes from… he did that because he just didn’t like the place?? NO people! He did it because he sent his angels to deliver the people and MEN who were sleeping with men tried to fornicate with the angels!!! As well as all other types of sins that were happening. Now I love my LBGT friends and fam BUT a sin, is a sin is a sin! If I lie, guess what? ITs a SIN! If I fornicate, guess what?? It’s A SIN… If I cheat, become a drunkard, thief, aldulterer or worship an idol or ANYTHING that falls out of line with what the word says, I SHALL BE PUNISHED. I don’t have to like it, but if I CHOOSE, (keyword is choose) to become a CHRISTIAN, that’s what I must believe. NO maybes or ifs about it. It’s that simple. Either accept the WORD in it’s entirety or leave it be. And THAT GOES FOR ALL SINS. Hello Somebody?! and Further more, if someone tells me I’m wrong according to the Bible, that’s not JUDGEMENT because only God has a heaven or hell to put you so that’s the ONLY person who can judge you! No go on and be with who you gone be with and live happily ever after :)

    • I appreciate your comment, for the simple fact that you don’t excuse certain sins in the Bible as a lot of Christians may do. They may be worried about what everybody else is doing but don’t manage to look at their own wrong doings. I don’t know Victor Kerney, but to me he sounds like a “false prophet” composing a list of his opinions to make himself feel better. I’m not really a “Christian” and am more of an agnostic, but I imagine if i were a Christian I would want to live by the Bible and not try to trade sins as this person does. Just because others may commit a sin, doesn’t excuse you. As a Christian, you’re supposed to live your life a close to Christ as possible and not think that just because everybody else is falling back, that you can fall back too..

    • Actually, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they refused to change their hearts. Their worship was not in order. God would’ve destroyed the city if they were straight. Don’t just read the story. Study to show thyself approved. In Genesis 14, you will find Sodom and Gomorrah were ruled by evil kings and God defeated them. The countries wrre enemies to Abraham. Verses 20-23 clearly support this. When you reach Chapter 18, you will find Abraham pleading with The Lord not to destroy the city if righteous men were found dwelling there. God agreed. The unrighteousness has everything to do with their worship. Their kings wrre enemies of Abraham and God.So, the destroying of the cities had nothing to do with homosexuality. Supposed to be Christians: PLEASE stop using this passage to justify the error you walk in. As I stated in my own response to this article, being homosexual is not a sure ticket tp hell; the condition of your heart is!! Consider this, we are supposed to make disciples, not push people away with condemnation and judgment. What really burns me up is many believers won’t open the bible to study. The bible is not a textbook nor is it a quick read. That’s why people are confused because what comes out your mouth is inaccurate. Now, I have read more comments from homosexuals who have quoted scripture accurately than those condemning!?!….This is sad. This chile stated he grew up thinking God didn’t love him & you respomd with Sodom & Gomorrah? As a believer, you lack compassion; which is a gift you should be walking in cuz you needed to be saved too. Shame on you….The reality is we are taught error and too silly to stop and question if what’s being heard is accurate. God is not confused or a hypocrite. Dineva did a better job of asking challenging questions that make all the sense and uou couldn’t even respond properly. I said plenty in my own response, but the word requires us to always be ready to give a response. I am not homosexual and I am a believer who is embarassed by what is being portrayed here. “Whosoeber will, let him come” were the words out of Christ’s mouth. “If ant man be in Chrisy, he is a new creature.” If I say so myself, these are words that would encourage anybody. God is not exclusive, He is inclusive. Smh…This article proves that we are missing the mark as Christians when it comes to modeling Christ and winning people. No wonder folk don’t want to be bothered. Nevertheless, whether this statement is never heatd of again, God does not cancel anybody because of their condition. He knew you before you were even formed in your mother’s womb. Don’t allow people to cause ypu to walk in shame and guilt. Be blessed!!

  21. I was recently at a funeral and the preacher was condemning gays as if they couldn’t have been sitting in the church. I was in shock and awe that a preacher could promote such hate. I looked to my husband and said “thank God I was raised in a white church because if this is what a black church is all about, I want no part of it”. Granted some white churches promote the same hate, but I have not seen nor heard it in the church I use to attend. As I have grown older and wiser and done much research, I personally have chosen not to believe in organized religion, due to things of this nature and other things that I’ve found out. God is all loving and does not differentiate between color or sex. Black churches continue to promote hate of this nature to instill fear in the congregation and to keep the masses coming to church and handing over their money. Stop “tithing” and see how the church treats you. I’m black and I’ve never fully understood black churches, but at this point there is no need to understand when all that is promoted is hate. As I told my son, hate never wins. See how far you get with love and you will be much happier. Read people read!!!! Don’t just take someone’s word, seek knowledge for yourself!!! Yes, I’m black, as if that matters.

  22. Remove religion and your personal interpretation of the “good word” from the equation. Love who you love and be happy with who you are. I´ve never understood why so many people care what goes on in someone else´s bedroom. You don´t have to agree with the decisions or lifestyles that any person leads but your own. If you believe In god, heaven and so on, just make sure you´re walking the walk so that you can get in. Remember, everyone does not believe in what you believe in and that should be absolutely fine. ~agree to disagree~

  23. Discussions like this become eerily scary when you consider they´re based on textual interpretation and critical thinking, but then remember just how low the U. S. ranks in textual interpretation and critical thinking skills…

  24. It’s not just the black church, it’s church folks period. They’re all brainwashed and have lost the ability to ask questions, think for themselves, or question anything. I haven’t met one church goer that has been able to answer who were Adam and Eve’s parents, how did Jonah survive inside a whale?

  25. The way I see it…if you don´t believe in the word of God, don´t call yourself a Christian. And if you could care less about what people think of you then why even bring up the subject. Keep moving forward with your lives and your decisions in life. Don´t bash the church for their beliefs…

  26. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN HELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOO PEOPLE! We all claim to believe in/love God yet the lives we live does not express that! Gossiping, lying, murdering, abortions, jealousy all are sins and just because we are a certain way does not make us RIGHT! If you sin repent and turn from your ways and btw I loves Ms. Funky Dineva!!! #yesss gawd

  27. 7 and 10 are accurate. Homosexuality is a sin. And the wages of sin is death! If you die IN sin, you go to hell. It doesn´t matter how many other sins are in the bible. If you die in ANY sin INCLUDING homosexuality, you will live in hell for eternity. Am I wrong Andrea Haynes?

    • How do you die IN sin? We’re all sinners and no sin is greater than another. None of us know when we will die. Are you saying the only way to get into Heaven is to repent the second before you die? If that’s the case 99% of the people who’ve walked this earth are in hell because they were all sinners who did not repent the second before they died. Your logic, not mine.

      • Okay, If you are gay, do you repent for being gay? Or do you just say this is who I am even though the Bible states that it is sin.. If you do not ask for forgiveness I believe that is how you will die in sin… No judgements. Just a response.

  28. I see such negativity written about the church when clearly there´s a difference between religion and having a true relationship with Christ…. The word of God stands and if it was really read the people that spoke so negatively about the church would know that it never said homosexuality was a sin but an abomination….. if you don´t know what that is look it up… it´s the same old argument of what about other sins, yes and those will be judged to… Now I have friends and love ones who are gay, and I love them with all my heart but they still know where I stand on the issue, but love and kindness have I drawn thee…. God loves ALL of us, but he hates our sin, pin point blank period… p.s. all that we can´t judge please read your bibles there´s a WHOLE BOOK CALLED JUDGES!!!

  29. I love how straight people always tell gay people “you werent born that way” how the fack would you know???? I know men who knew they were gay when they were 5 or 6. Unless your them then you shouldn´t have an opinion about how someone is. But when yall have babies with deadbeats whats the first thing out your mouth “YOU CANT HELP WHO FALL IN LOVE WITH DONT JUDGE ME” last time I checked having kids out of wedlock with deadbeats is alot worse than 2 people of the same sex falling in love. Smh

  30. “Sexual abuse is the cause of homosexuality… Please.”

    That’s all you got for that one Dineva? I dunno. I think sexual abuse can cause sexual confusion. Hell Tyler Perry even admitted that.

    Church folk are crazy as hell though. I think the reason they (mainly men of the church) bash homosexuality so much is because most of them are gay and don’t want to admit. It’s like reverse psychology. And the women of the church just goes along with these misguided pastors/preachers.

  31. Willette, let´s stay in the Bible. Ok? Is it a sin for ppl to have those bastards (how the Bible refers to them) out of wedlock? Or is that a “blessing”? Last time I read the Bible, fornication (sex outside of marriage) is a sin. So…blessings can come from sin in the form of bastards but not from two ppl of the same sex loving each other? Help me understand how that works.

  32. I was raised in a church. COGIC/Pentecostal at that lol. They were strict! Well wouldn’t you know, my big brother is gay. Not a person I know ever looked at him side ways. At least not to my knowledge. They preached against it, but my brother was this really smart kid from South Central, with a scholarship to a top private boarding school and he was going to be this rich man some day. This was a young man they could brag about because he came up in their church. They simply did not acknowledge that he was gay.

    I feel like this, let God judge us. I have enough on my plate. I don’t have the time or the energy to be trying to figure out if your going to heaven, I’m simply trying to make it there myself.

  33. I love how all these God-fearing people fully and truly believe that some mythical man is sitting in a giant throne up there in the clouds waiting to welcome them to happy-cloud-land with giant open arms – yet the idea of two people of the same gender loving each other is too much for their pea brains to absorb.

  34. Churches are businesses, as long as you’re paying tithes and coming to them for weddings, funerals and baptismal they look the other way. Money makes the world go ‘round, and a business cannot stay open without money.

  35. It’s funny how these church folks is so quick to denounce the gay community for their “sin” but conveniently forget that gluttony is also a sin (a cardinal sin at that) as they line up for their 3rd plate at Golden Corral Sunday after church.

    Amen walls….

    • So is having babies out of wedlock, living in sin and cursing. Did anyone see that video of the old heads arguing at choir rehearsal? The drummer pulls out a gun and then they start squaring off. How you trying to pistol whip someone in church? What happened to What Would Jesus do?

  36. I just wonder who is adding more fuel to the fire: Gay and Lesbian people who feel the need to always defend their life (I hate the word lifestyle because straight people don’t say their choice is a lifestyle) or Church people who feel the need to tell everyone what they should not do. But isn’t their something in the bible that says judge lest ye be judge. I’m not the most religious person so I believe in if it is not for my I just won’t munch on any carpets. But if it is for you: may you be blessed in your happiness no matter who you choose. If people stop giving this non-issue so much attention then people will have nothing to talk about such as when Robin Roberts came out as being a lesbian. WHO CARES!!! I wasn’t trying to date her so I don’t care who she dates. It didn’t make her report the entertain new any different. MIND YOUR Business and let people live.

  37. Willette Hart just said some real stuff. I never thought of it that way until now. The article just acknowledged that being gay is a sin. And if you look at every other sin, you would see those are things you choose to do… hmmmm… definitely made me think a little bit.

  38. They Lie all the time and vote folks out the church,you can love God and you should with that being said you don’t have to go to church if you don’t want to,All it is now when you step foot in ah a church a fuckin fashion show SMFH and preachers talking bout folks in the pulpit,which should not be used as a platform to bash judge or hurt people feelings.

    • And, this my dear, is where many people have it confused. God hates sin. I’m straight, but when I choose to sleep with my man, I am sinning; he ain’t my husband. But, nobody cannot tell me that the God who instructs us over and over and over to LOVE, hates someone that HE himself made. I don’t believe that we have a choice of how we are born, but I, me, I have a choice of getting my grove on or not. This is where choices come into play. But, just like those that are condemning folks for who they sleep with, they are sinning too by judging them.

      People have to stop preaching and living hate, because it does nothing to win souls to God. I’m not talking religion, because “religion” alone is nothing if you are going to be hateful. I’m Pentecostal, and I can tell you that they are the most judgmental people, and I am just glad that my mom got it, before she passed at 81 years old. Thanks to Noel Jones, my mom learned to accept people for who they were, not for what they chose or how they lived. He once told her that he cannot tell the church that Gays have no place, because he has gay people in his family, and he welcomes them to come to his church. Say what you will about him, but he leaves the hospital/church door open for those in need, not those who are perfect.

  39. Willette Hart ok, so if I chose to be gay, that means you chose to be straight. If you turn the glove inside out, it must still be a glove. Do you remember how old you were or where you were the day you chose to be straight?

  40. Who in there right mind wants to be gay? Now it´s being more accepted, but not entirely. I personally know people who tried to kill themselves because of self righteous assholes saying “it´s a choice”. I don´t know why people care what other people do in their bedrooms any freaking way!

    • That is so true. I know someone who slit his wrist in front of his family. He said “if I you truly believe that I made conscious choice at some point in my life to be gay, and as a result I am being disowned and cast out, then know that I am making a conscious choice to end my life. I love you all.” Chile the whole thing was caught on video because he came home for the holidays. His mother and younger sister have to sneak and call him, or they will be cast out as well for accepting his lifestyle.

  41. I just can´t with religion at all! Since I was a child a questioned it. I was raised in the Baptist Church and Catholic church. Now I´m an athiest. Why? There is an entire list of reasons. I rather focus on being a good person and to others and respecting everyone with their beliefs. Who am I to say there is no God? If that belief helps you get through the bad times and good, then so be it.

  42. So Let´s Be G……you´re not born Gay, Don´t ya think this world would have some concrete scientific proof of that. They don´t because you´re not, being Hay is a Choice just Like every other sin.

    • You’re creating a standard by which science does not follow. You can’t declare the absence of evidence as evidence to support your argument. Let’s be a bit more intellectually honest and understand there is peer reviewed research out there. Some of the latest and greatest tend to reason there may be a multitude of factors involving nature (gestational period)/nurture that may determine ones sexuality. This may not even be for all individuals. We don’t know yet just yet but that is the thing with science….it constantly evolves when we get more data to refine our theories. It was only within a decade we managed to map the whole human genome….but I digress.

      I just have a hard time people would choose to be ostracized by family, ridiculed by society, and in some places face certain death. I would hope I’d never be as arrogant to tell people how they should feel and what they should like/dislike because of some deluded notion that my worldview is absolute. Funny thing science doesn’t deal in absolutes.

  43. Look IDK what the fuck it is…I´m not gonna spend time on TRYING to figure it out. I do know that I love ppl for who, and where they are in life. Just love and be kind to ppl. That´s what I think that GOD wants!!!!

  44. My pastor just spoke about this…Only diffference in our sins is that we can hide ours (gossiping, lying, fornication, stealing, etc) and gays can´t. If we had to wear scarlet letters for sins, we´d never come out the house much less the closet!

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