T.D. Jakes Has Elder Escorted Out Of Church During Service For Spilling His Tea In A Tell All Book

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Doesn’t T.D. Jakes look like a Walrus? lol Chile, we have some complete devastation to the nation going on up in the sanctuary. In a true Church Queen fashion, Snuffleupagus Jakes created quite the scene durring church service. He had a longtime elder of the church removed and escorted out of the building by security. The T is, Bishop Jakes feels some kind of way because the elder wrote a book entitles  “The Sunday Morning Stick Up. What your pastor doesn’t want you to know about tithes.”. Yes Gawd! I have not even read 2 words of the book and I can already tell you it is filled with mess and drama. If I was Jakes, I’d probably feel some kind of way too.  Catch the T’s on the entire situation. Elder-Richardson

Article Written By Joshua Randolph of Joshua Randolph Unleashed

It was brought to my attention earlier today by a friend, and reader of my website/blog that the good Bishop TD Jakes had a long time Elder of the Potters House removed from the front row during a church service, and escorted out by security because of a book the Elder wrote which will be released in March.

Elder Davidlee Richardson has been apart of the Potters house church for a number of years, and decided to write a book entitled “The Sunday Morning Stick Up. What your pastor doesn’t want you to know about tithes.” Elder Richardson has been apart of many non profit organizations, and has traveled the globe evangelizing. According to my source. Elder Richardson considers the good bishop his ”spiritual father”.

The good bishop is known to many around the world as the “KING PIMP.” Pimping members of the body of Christ out of their hard earned money Sunday after Sunday. Preachers these days call the good bishop father, daddy, etc.

It’s no secret the the good bishop has lot’s of money, and continues to pimp weak minded believers out money as often as possible.

During a normal service at the Potters house it takes Jakes between 10-12 minutes to receive an offering because there is always a story to tell of a person receiving a miracle normally after given money to Jakes ministry.

But one has to wonder what is in that book that the good bishop was so offended by to have the long time Elder escorted off church grounds? It my understanding sense this incident happened neither the good bishop nor Elder Richardson has reached out to each other.

It has also be brought to my attention that Jakes is charging ministers/elders of his church half of whom doesn’t get paid a penny $1,100 to attend a conference for two days so he can” poor into their life’s.”

Also according to my source many of the ministers and elders don’t have the money to attend but are taking out payday loans, and getting into debit just to be in the number and attend this event.  Many of these ministers have hit on hard times in the past, and asked the church for help and the answer has been “NO.”

According to another friend who is a former staff member of TPH. The good bishop charges any where from $55,000 to $100,000 to come preach at your church. Plus a hotel room at the ritz, food money, and your church must be a certain size before he even agrees to fool with you. 1/2 of the money is due up front, and then you must agree to give the good bishop 50% of the offering raised that night.

But after this last incident with Elder Richardson the good bishop proves that he’s not up to really winning souls for Christ, but about making his pockets even bigger. Anybody that’s  in the good bishop inner circle should never try to educate folks about tithe because you will be dropped in out fish oil, and dismissed from the inner circle.

People in these churches forget the love of GOD is free, and needs to start thinking for themselves.

 

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  1. Tithing was under and is under the law with a curse for Christians seeking salvation under the law, Galatians 3:3-13, Malachi 3:1-18. Saved Christians by grace lead by the Holy Spirit are ministers of the new testament born of love with exceeding glory which surpassed the glory that was in law in Moses and we have been redeemed from the curse of the law to adoptions of sons and are not under the law, Galatians 5:1, Galatians4:4-5,2 Corinthians 3:1-18 . Salvation under the law one attains it at last breath on earth having done all that pertains to the law which is hard for one to accomplish. Even the tithe which was given by Abraham was under the law of sin and death from the fall of Adam and Eve. Those who cheat would like to deceive Christians that tithe was before the law but before which law. When Christ was born He was given gifts and not tithes Mathew 2:11-12. Salvation under spiritual law of love by grace is freely given and attained, Ephesians 2:4 -9, Ephesians 2:13 -20. Under Leviticus priesthood tithes were given for the tribe of Levi and tithe of tithe to the high Priest for they shared no land apart from the walled towns they were allocated to stay in for their continuous sacrifice to God, Numbers 18:20 -29.Widows, strangers ,fatherless and orphans benefited from tithes and offerings given to Levites, Deuteronomy 14:22-29. In Christianity widows were asked to be catered by close brethren to ease burden to the Church. There were also tithes of different kinds in Israel. There was also a tithe where a family had to eat all before the Lord, Deutreronomy12:6-7. In Christ Jesus we are saved by grace to adoptions of sons and not by works of law ,Galatians 3:8-13,Acts13: 38-39, Galatians 4: 4-5, Galatians2:16-21, Galatians 5:18. In NEW TESTAMENT two priesthood are compared Hebrew7: 7-28, Hebrew8:6 -13, Hebrew 9:6-9, Hebrew 10:8-23. Leviticus priesthood under the law with tithes, death, discontinuity and its acceptance under glory of law done away in Christ and the holy priesthood of Christ without tithes, death and discontinuity with exceeding glory under which Christians are in salvation being a Holy nation and loyal Priests to preach to the world GOD being their Father in new covenant ministry, 2 Corinthians2:1-13, 2Peter 2:5-9. Christ is from the tribe of Juda without priesthood and he never sent the Levites Priests to preach to the world. Christ is the end of the law of sin and death which was against us having crucified it on the cross of Calvary Roman 10:1-4, Roman8:1-2,Roman 6:13-14 . Christ came to accomplish all the requirements of the law and became the Lord of the law. Beside the death of the two sinners, in CHRIST JESUS accomplished two deaths . Christ crucified on the Cross the law of sin and death which was against us. Christ then removed the first covenant and established the better Second Covenant mediated BY Him upon established better promises for us. All Apostles of Christ never asked for tithes. Even Judas never asked for tithes. Christ Himself never asked for tithes. In new testament comments are made on tithing under law which some want to use to justify tithing. Our Christian faith is founded on foundation of apostles, prophets ,JESUS CHRIST Himself being the Apostle and Corner Stone of our faith,Hebrew3:1. Leviticus priesthood under the law is totally left out. In the same Spirit Paul referred law as was our and not law is our school master. To justify oneself us paying tithes under the law one has to give tithes to all saved Christians in the Church for we are loyal priests in Christ Jesus presenting our bodies as living sacrifice. But God does not have pleasure for Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings for sin neither had pleasure therein, which are offered under the law. Hebrew10:8. Pastors and priests have done away with offering ,sacrifices and burnt offerings for sins under the law and have been left comfortably with offering offered under law cunningly concealed in good words and fair deceptive eloquent speeches. Romans 16:17-19 A fountain cannot produce sweet and bitter water the same time. James 3:8-18. We Christian are saved by GRACE IN CHRIST LOVE(Spiritual Law) for we cannot be subjected to law of sin and death crucified and done away by Christ on cross of Calvary. We are subjected to spiritual law of life in Christ Jesus and ought to have the spiritual understanding of the Word of God in liberty without corrupting the Word of God. Roman 8:1-2, Colossians 1:9-10. As God has blessed us in common inheritance of the saints, we should give sacrificially as we have purposed in our hearts in liberty and in love, Galatians 5:1, 2Corinthians 9;6-7, Galatians 6:6-7, Hebrew6:6-12,Hebrew13:11-16. Christ taught spiritual giving to God and to our parents, Luke 6:8 ,Matthew15:5-9. Paul also taught the same .2Corinthians 9:6-14, Philippians 2:4-5. Aaron was given unto Moses, the Levite tribe was given unto Aaron, the eleven tribes of Israel were given unto Levite tribe to serve them but we Christians are purchased through the blood of Christ we are no mans’ servants but servants of Christ 1Corinthians 7:21-2 , Numbers 3:9-15. Those under the law are under curse and the law kills 2Corinthians 3:6. Are they telling Christians curses under law are blessings for them or they have powers to remove curses when Christians tithe to them? They have directed Christians to deceptive ways of curses for their own benefits and not blessings. The bounty of terror of deceptive covetousness is professionally tactically presented as blessing based on salvation under yard stick of tithes. Apostles of CHRIT did not use concealed deceptive covetousness to preach the gospel 1Thessalonians2:3-6.We should renounce hidden things of dishonesty and not walk craftily handling the Word of God deceitfully 2Corithians 4:1-2. The body of CHRIST has been subjected to doctrinal mess by Levites priests and pastors. In willful deception by calling themselves the Levites of today who persecuted Christians and plunder Christians pockets today they are able to demand to be given tithes. Levites priests and elders never gave a helping hand to Christians. Christ did not leave His Church under Leviticus Priesthood. When we take the Word of God out of its content and contest ,we have contempt for the Word of God. He (GOD)who brought tithing under the old Covenant took it away in His(CHRIST) rights in the new Covenant.
    We can preach the Word of God quoting scriptures like the devil when he tested Jesus or quote the scriptures like CHRIST when He answered satan in time of need. Matthew 4:1-11 We can teach doctrine of men instead of doctrines of God. We can have a zeal of faith and establish our own righteousness not according righteousness of God in the knowledge of his Word. Roman 10:1-4. Pastors and priests calling themselves Levites of today have capitalized on low level Christian doctrinal knowledge teachings among Christians. Tithing contradict the doctrine of salvation. Mathew15:5-9. We can preach the Word of God making the Church a house of merchandise to make merchandise of Christians and those who do so whose God is their belly which made Adam and Eve to fail in their relationship with God .If the trade was not profitable to them then it would have come to an end but it is a lucrative profitable business base on arithmetic of numbers cunningly preserved with tactical appreciations to the body of Christ and spreading of the Gospel. Are elect Christians deceived? Romans 16:17 -19 ,2 Peter 2:1-3, John 2:16, Philppians3:17-19. We can preach Christ out of envy, strife or of good will. Philippians 1:15-17,2Corinthians4:1-2. It is the body of Christ the Church which is sent to preach to the world also as individuals brethren bearing the burden to preach to the world as Apostles of Christ did. The responsibility has not been on shoulders of priests and pastors only. Brethren are the loyal priests and ambassadors of Christ and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation, 2 Corinthians :19-20.
    Tithing is a hard topic to teach without spiritual understanding since we have many high profile elite preachers teaching on the same with books written of great hoped promises and condemnation on the same for those who do not tithe, Ephesians 5:6-7, Thessalonians 2:3-4. Some well educated Christians in deceptive manner do teaching on tithes which is warmly appreciated from the pulpit. They become the magnetizing force with alluring great hoped blessed promises of wealth .Pharisees and the Scribes were most well educated and Jesus said woe unto them seven times for being stumbling blocks in faith. Mathew 23:9-39. We only need to rightly divide the Word of God and know whether we are Christians seeking salvation under the law or we are Christians saved by grace in Christ through the Spiritual law of love, Corinthians 1:12-16,2 Timothy 2:15 . We redeemed sons of God who are made Kings and priests unto God have a common inheritance in Christ Jesus, Galatians 4:4-5, Colssians1:9-14 ,1Corinthians 2:12-16. Revelation 1;4-6 . We are called spiritual sons of God after salvation not before in fallen state and who are enabled to do the righteousness that was in the law but we are not under the law. The same priests and pastors wreck the spiritual scriptures when they teach fallen Angles are called sons of God who married daughters of men giving offspring of giants , Genesis 6:1-8. God says he has never called any angles his son, Hebrew 1:4-5.When were fallen angles redeemed and sanctified to be called sons? The ownership of increased daughters is unto men before being referred to as sons of God and the lust to polygamous marriage was with men. Are beautiful daughters born today for men? Shall we have another episode of fallen angles marrying daughters of men before the close of age? Many have taught the Word of God outside Biblical doctrines so many are deceived in their teaching and preaching which condemn God as unjust since no judgment is passed to angles they refer to as sons of God. When men dropped further from grace when they practiced polygamous marriage and their life span was reduced to one hundred and twenty years , no judgment is passed to purposed angles they teach us sons of God. The sons of God were men who had done reconciliation to God the same way Abel had done and was accepted by God. The judgment is specifically to mankind and giants born in sin of polygamous marriage do not qualify the sons of God to be angles. Angles are ministering spirits with no reproductive empowerment, Matthew 22:29-32, Hebrew 1:14-14. Our relationship to God our Father is in love in our loyal priesthood to the world. Roman 8:14-17. Only those who are not sincere mix teaching under carnal law and spiritual teaching enlightenment under spiritual law . The devil uses the nobles, evil and false witness to do his will according to circumstances, Acts 13;50-51 Acts 6: 9-14. Christians must remain wise and not be cheated by devils workers transforming themselves as angles of light which corrupt the Word of God, 2Corinthians2:17, 2Corinthians11: 13-15. Levites Pastor, Priests and some Christians misquote Jesus Christ on judgment. Judge not that you may be not judged . Matthew7:1-5. They say God prohibit judgment which is not true since it is based on taking the scripture out of content and contest on understanding Jesus statement. It has given them a highway of teaching lies without being questioned. They have separated themselves from the body of Christ to ideal entity who cannot be censured. Shall you close your eyes to evils committed that they may not judge you. Do you buy yourself freedom from being judged for not condemning evil or commenting on anything positive or negative. The preaching of the Word of God is based on judgment on sins and righteousness . God requires from us righteous judgment in wisdom and in love which condemn sins which leads man to repentant of sins and redemption. The Word of God in its content and contest states judgment on sins and righteousness. All living beings and organic life are in constant judgment for existent. If we can stop all processes of judgments life will come to a standstill and ultimate death with final judgment of decay. Life and all creation were established in good judgment by God and close of age shall end in judgment to eternal life or eternal death which is eternal life of suffering and separation from God. Genesis 1:1-31, Genesis 2:1-25. Even our bodies judge us out of energy and we hunger for food and thirst for water. All witty discoveries are results of acknowledgment of positive judgments on active well coordinated principals. Christians are encouraged to solve cases in judgment among themselves. 1Corinthians 6:1-7,The Bible encourage us that our love may abound yet more in knowledge and in all Judgment and we judge ourselves dead in Christ, 2 Corinthians5:14 ,Philippians 1:9-12. Life is in active constant judgments and the creation mourns for final judgment which it shall be subjected by God. We relate in evaluation to all things in judgment. What we known and do not know is based on judgment. What we believe right or wrong is based on judgment. Irrespective of any judgment delivered on us we should delivers the Heavenly Kingdom judgment to sins . We saved Christians are counted and judged worthy to suffer tribulations together with Christ when we live Christian life in love ,Revelation Chapter1,2and3. We thus judge ourselves dead in Christ.
    There are may be those who preach tithing to saved Christians for lack of spiritual understanding. We should girdle up the loins of our minds as the knowledgeable wise sharers of the Word of God . 1Peter :13-15.Roman 10:1-4. We shall not be cornered and be cheated. God bless us in abundant grace of spiritual revelation and spiritual understanding of His Holy Word, Colssians1:9-14, Ephesians 5:6 -7,1Thessalonians 2:3-6, 2Timothy2:15, 2Timothy 2:24-26 . Amen
    I am happy and blessed to interact with you on spiritual teachings. Hope we shall search more scriptures for our spiritual growth . Yearning to receive your input on the topic .God bless you.
    The message is freely given
    purely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide

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  4. My husband had a good paying job for many years, went they close down we went to God and a year after he got another job in a different feel it was hard at first but we kept giving to God threw the local church . The word of God say that He never seen the righteous forsaken or His seed lacking for nothing,is your faith in a man or in God if you want to write a book about the Biship you will have to write one against God word and I don’t think you want to go there.

    • Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto GOD what is GODs. What in the world does that have to do with the tithe? Remember this one fact! The Lord speaks specific! He is the true truth! so when it comes down to it, let EVERY MAN be a LIE! and let GOD BE TRUE! I also believe that: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s was referring to a literal tax imposed by Caesar. But render unto GOD what is GODs” is something that I believe Him to be saying: render the all of you to GOD, mind, body and soul in full service, day and night. The body of Christ is suffering because we are willingly ignorant. We will not study/read for ourselves. We rather be lazy and depend on a man/pastor/preacher instead of Jesus the one that saved us. Remember! Christ is the Head! everyone else is the body and that includes your pastors and bishops. They are merely your fellow servants. Everything that you want to know concerning TRUTH is all found in the WORD. If you want to know about the tithes, take time out and commune with the Lord in His Word and He with show you The Truth about the tithe, if you really want to know! The tenth/tithe is simply of a food source and has been given to a specific tribe of Israel, the Levites! Numbers 18. The tenths/tithes is not on a filthy buck but on FOOD! and I challenge anyone to find in scripture where the tenths have been changed from food to money by the Lord Himself or where is it written any where in the scriptures that the tenths/tithes have been transferred from the Levitical priesthood and given to a gentile minister/preacher/pastor/prophet/bishop. We are all priest in the body of Christ. Please don’t believe that lie that they did not have money back then because that is a huge lie, study it for yourself. This false tithe that men take today and it’s frequency is not found written anywhere in my Bible according to my 4 years of research. Can anyone tell me if they have received a poor tithe or did you even know that it existed? What about the festival tithe? this tithe was eaten before the Lord in the place that he would prescribe. We were all duped by following man/pastors with the book of Malachi, and it’s our own fault! All we had to do was to read the book of Malachi starting with chapter 1. The Lord clearly say’s who He is speaking to, and it is not us. He tells you plainly who is robbing him and what nation he is talking to, the scripture did not say the ENTIRE WORLD. He is speaking to a specific people in a specific nation, and if I may say the windows of Heaven is simply rain, and meat in MY house is simply food and the devourer is literary insects/bugs eating up the crops. So the question is! why are these ministers telling us this falsehood, it isn’t but two reasons why. They are unlearned and are following the traditions of men or they are doing this intentionally, either way they are wrong. If by tradition of men! then why are you telling people things that you know not about, or on the other hand, if done intentionally! it is our job to confront these wicked ministers and to expose them, or continue to sin with them. Remember! there is no mediator between GOD and man but JESUS alone, NOT any PASTOR or any man, they are just your fellow servant. Also why do we give to one man/pastor? The scripture says that he is to get his living from the Gospel NOT TO MAKE his living off the Gospel. Have we lost our minds! Why do we continue to give to one man and neglect our brother or sister sitting right next to us? Have you ever realized that you have to wait mystically, in faith, on your financial blessing! but the pastor gets his right off the top which takes no faith at all. So either the Lord loves a certain part of the body more than the other, or we have this thing all wrong. Listen, if I have anywhere from 3000-30,000 people that I have convinced to give me money every Sunday and Wednesday twice in one day! and some Monday’s! then guess what! I am paid, and this does not include this unscriptural tithe that they take, that does not belong to them. Sorry, but for the most part the gathering should be for those that have a need, that the needs of the people might be met. We are all guilty of making one brother/pastor/fellow servant wealthy and left all others in the same body lacking, and then we actually believed that this foolishness was from the Lord, to boot! Why would we keep giving to one person that is obviously well supplied and fed. We knew to stop in our hearts when we seen the Mansions and Rolls Royces plus the benzes. What part of this resembles Jesus, john the baptist, or any of the Apostles. We have over paid these pastors/members in the body of Christ and don’t even realize that we have done evil. This is not what took place in the early Church as per the book of Acts. They at least tried to meet the needs of the brethren that there would be no lack, and I don’t mean making one rich or excusing anyone from working a job. Let’s get one thing straight, these pastors, preachers, bishops, and alleged prophets are NOT Apostles. You all know full well that you can’t find any of the apostles or Christ himself asking for or receiving a tithe. How could they? When all of the tithes were given to the tribe of the Levtical priesthood by GOD for the work they do for serving at the meeting tent, and that’s within Israel. So let’s stop equating these gentile pastors and bishops to the tribe of Levite or The High Priest, in which JESUS CHRIST himself alone is now our High Priest and not any man. By the way, who told you as a gentile to pay a tithe? was it a man or the Lord? Before you answer, back up your answer with scripture and not with what a man told you. That would be putting man before God. To really know the truth about the tithe and any other partial or snippet of scripture that you think that you were taught by these alleged pastors, you would have to step away from the visible Church house and go directly to your source, The Word of God and ask the One that created you, saved you and The one that you plan on spending all of eternity with, and see if He will not help you. Also the visible Church is not the Church, the people that make up the body of Christ is the true Church, in fact any body in the body of Chist is the Church. Be not deceived! quite a bit of these ministers may have started off well, but have become overtaken by money, fame (egged on by the people), and their own ego. Remember! you cannot serve mammon and God. If you think that this can be done by the majority of ministers, just see if they will sell all and give to the poor. Ok, lets try this, how many people do you know personally that have been healed? 1 person 2 people? half of the people or all of the people? how many delivered? how many raised from the dead? or how many made wealthy among you? as if the gospel was delivered to us to make us wealthy. The scriptures say that the poor you have with you all way, but you see that we have a conflict! the lot of these ministers say that you are suppose to be rich. So who’s lying here? We know it’s not The Word of God. We have fallen into all of this false teaching and twisting of scripture because we will not study! or in better words: commune with GOD through JESUS in His Word, The Bible. We have substituted getting to know our Husband The LORD by not studying, and have looked instead for brownie points by going out to a building that we call the Church every Sunday and Wednesday and saying within ourselves that this should be a credit to my account for getting into Heaven, knowing full well that we have not learned anything, but you can say that the Choir was nice or on point and things like, he sure did preach! He preached what? Do you mean that he was entertaining? because for the most part the saint that has been saved for any period of time have already heard this same message. We’ve heard the gospel preached, received the Gospel and are now saved. So why do you keep listening to the Gospel message again and again after you have believed and received. Shouldn’t we ought to be spreading the gospel after we have received it? Congregating is nice, but how is this developing your relationship to get closer and closer to the Lord? For the most part these ministers/pastors are not going to encourage you to move on in the Lord by insisting that you study to further prepare yourself for your own work in the Lord, because we are all in the body for a reason to do something. But why wouldn’t they tell you this? First you might learn and know more than they do and second, they may have a fear of you leaving thus losing headcount, funds/money. We were never saved/called to follow a man to this degree. I have personally never met a true pastor. I’ve met a lot of preachers. A true pastor is a somewhat overseer and warns the people in hopes of not losing any brother or sister in Christ. So what is a mega Church? by the way this place we call the Church is actually a meeting place and it does not take a million dollar building, tents and folding chairs will do. But if you say you go to or you have a mega Church, then who is overseeing you properly or how are you overseeing thousands. Also as a large side note, or pretty much a question, Please show me in scripture this message that these ministers are preaching about health wealth and prosperity or any of these raising-money a-thons. Where and when did Jesus or any of the Apostles carry this message? We fall into many hurtful things by not knowing the scriptures. Do you people realize how many times these pastors have sent their kids to college on your money while you can’t send your kids? and buy these huge homes with the peoples money while you can barely afford your rent or do you even care? Do you think that these people are more loved or special than you in the sight of THE LORD? really? Interestingly the Apostle paul worked a job and provided for himself and if I’m correct I believe he said that he helped those around him. Although paul received some help here or there he also said that he rejected the people’s gold(money) and fine raiment. So are we saying that these pastors are above the Apostle paul? Absolutely NOT! unless we have lost our minds completely. Have we? People! we are bordering on Idolatry by placing a man above Christ or on the same level as Christ. The is a grave error and should be stopped immediately! I believe that we have lost perspective. This way of thinking did not come from above. As for the entire body of Christ, let no man deceive you. Let no man take you crown nor give it to him. Let no man/pastor/bishop or alleged prophet tell you that you have nothing to say as a member in the body of Christ. Please remember that you were personally invited to the wedding feast by The One who saved you and not by man. You are very important in the body of Christ and let no man tell you otherwise. We should be willing to give all to GOD through JESUS. That is our heart, mind, and body. Please do not be afraid to point out, speak up and expose any and everything that is not like GOD in accordance to the scriptures, no matter if they be a bishop or a pastor. Do these things internally. Keep JESUS first and endure till the end. Remember! in the world you will have trouble but in him you will have peace, but the scripture did not say: in the world you will have trouble but in him you’ll have peace. I found out the truth about the tithe and the no tithe under The New Covenant about 19 years after being saved and I did not receive it from a man directly. Also, lets not fall for the Abraham argument. Let’s not revert back! The last information that we were given concerning the tithe before the Old Covenant was closed off, is that! whatever the tithe was that suppose to have preceded the Law, be it the Abraham or Jacob tithe. The latest and the last update that we have is that The Lord gave all of the tenths/tithe to that particular tribe of Levi, and there is no known scripture that reverts us back to pre-law and even if there were to whom would we give them to? We would have to find Melchizedek, drum up some spoils of war, give the tenth part, and then give the 90th part back or 90% back, which would leave the tither with zero. None of these ministers/preachers/pastors/bishops/alleged prophets are Melchizedek nor a High Priest. As a side note: I have heard some of the Melchizedek Shem debate. Please read! Please read! Please study for yourselves and repent.

      Thanks for your time
      Your fellow servant in Christ

      • Hi, I wanted to say that I agree with pretty much all of your scripture references and positions concerning Prosperity Gospel, which I vehemently denounce, but I need to take exception with you on two points. 1. The tithe being “strictly” food and 2. You having never met a “true” pastor.
        Firstly, you say, “The tenth/tithe is simply of a food source and has been given to a specific tribe of Israel, the Levites! Numbers 18. The tenths/tithes is not on a filthy buck but on FOOD! and I challenge anyone to find in scripture where the tenths have been changed from food to money by the Lord Himself or where is it written any where in the scriptures that the tenths/tithes have been transferred from the Levitical priesthood and given to a gentile minister/preacher/pastor/prophet/bishop.” The tithe was established BEFORE the levitical law. Note: Genesis 14:18-20Abraham tithes 10% to Melchizedek king of Salem, which we believe is a Christophany. spoils=goods, valuables, food stores, gold, silver, etc…
        In addition in Hebrews 7:1-19 really the entire chapter but my point is that before the Mosaic LAW there were tithes paid to Christ and now we turn to 2 Cor. 9:6Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” This like stated in Hebrews transforms the imperfect law of tithing into the perfect law of tithing in Christ, Tithing is no longer a % but an expression of love and support for the building up of the kindom and I agree NOT for the building up of the pastors in luxury and extravagant buildings that God cares nothing about. It is not 10% but what each purposes in their own heart to give. You must agree that it does not leave room for not giving at all! Logically if you are in a body of believers and you believe the work of God is being done then you would honor God in your support of that body and its work in every way you could. Otherwise you shouldn’t be there! Lastly, I believe 10% is a good place to start but that’s just me, Sc ripture says give according to your heart, so if you feel you can give 1 dollar that’s your tithe, if 1000 then that’s your tithe and no one can condemn you for it. So in closing on this 1st issue, it is obvious that tithing was before Mosaic Levitical law, and that it would not be restricted to just food, and Jesus’ coming to not do away with the law but to fulfill/perfect the law, we see tithing perfected from obedience to God’s law, to love of God’s word.
        Now as for never having met a “real”pastor/elder etc. and your wordplay, ” he is to get his living from the Gospel NOT TO MAKE his living off the Gospel.”AND , “they are just your fellow servant[s]. firstly, let me say that we are fellow servants but not ‘just’ fellow servants. 1. elders/pastors are held more accountable by God and will be judged more severely, 2. We are appointed by God to oversee the souls of believers and believers are instructed to “grieve not the elder 3 The body of Christ are not to receive an accusation of an elder/pastor unless validated by 2-3 witnesses. and the scripture is clear that 1 Timothy 5:17 says Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour,
        especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. Double honour is speaking of esteem and monetary recognition. it is easily researched. I personally work and pastor but it would be great if I could work full time as committing to the scriptures and ministering to the saints, and not only great but I would go so far as to say that it would be the best most biblical carrying out of one called to be a elder in the office of pastor/ shepherd.
        not only are some of your statements incorrect but they read with a sense of disdain and anger. granted, I could be wrong but it seems to be written in an angry, arrogant tone and this is not the Christian way. I oppose most of the things you oppose but being right is not the same thing as being righteous! I commend you for your zeal to live the truth of the scriptures but we must all remember that even at best, “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know, in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. We don’t have all of the answers and while we must boldly oppose false doctrine we must be loving and humbly as we do so, speaking the truth in love, in order that we might gain some for Christ. I have written more than I actually had time to write but I pray that you receive this in the Spirit in which it was written. Sincerely, Elder Hunter.

        • I see that you have missed the entire point of this letter, but that’s OK, maybe you’ll get it or maybe you will not. The point of this letter is to promote an awakening of what exactly and whom we’ve been listening to. Have we been listening to God or man? Many of the things that I spoke out against was the traditions of men (BEING A FOLLOWER OF MAN RATHER THAN A FOLLOWER OF GOD). This is easily accomplished: Just don’t study, study, study, and study some more and you might be at the mercy of any man’s voice: pastor, bishop, elder, deacon etc. Remember! It was a tenth part not 10%, that’s a twisting of scripture and an unlearned thing (Study). We will entertain your thought concerning Melchizedek (High Priest) and Abraham: If Jesus (The High Priest) is now Melchizedek (High Priest) then this is a reverting back and there is no known scripture that I’ve even seen concerning a revert back, but the last known writ we have concerning who are to receive the tenths are The Levites. I ask again where is that poor tithe? and where is the festival tithe? answer me? So then if Jesus and Melchizedek is one in the same, then I think we’d better acquire some spoils of war and locate Melchizedek, now! Do you get what I’m saying? If you are going to use this as an example! then do it according to what you’ve read (Word for Word line upon line). Did you notice, with this revert back attitude that is not prescribed anywhere that I’ve seen would have Jesus (The High Priest) as Melchizedek and as you can clearly see that there is no middle man: pastor/ bishop/ elder/deacon/rev etc. Just as Abraham handed over a tenth part of (WAR SPOILS NOT PERSONAL INCOME) directly to (The High Priest) Melchizedek, Jesus alone is now our (High Priest). So if there was a legit tithe that we had to pay now then it would have to go the Levites or Directly to Jesus (The High Priest) after the order of Melchizedek (High Priest). and nobody else, period! Please listen to what the Lord is saying and not man. Man is no more than your fellow servant. As far as Hebrews 7, please read the entire chapter again with the Lord and not with man and then tell me what Commandment was dis-annulled in verse 18 and what law was changed per verse 12 ? Did you notice that the scriptures did not say Commandments or Laws, He say’s (Commandment or Law). So read Hebrews 7:5 and tell me what (Law) is being referred? Also you will not find this unidentified tithe nor frequency of it that the gentile preacher requires anywhere in the Scriptures nor will you find any known Command for a gentile to participate in a tithing system. Now concerning your reference to 2 Corinthians 9: It has absolutely nothing to do with a tithe. You must read 2 Corinthians 8 to understand 2 Corinthians 9. It’s just speaking of a gathering for the poor Saints and how The Lord sees all and is more than capable of blessing you for whatever you give, be it large or small, and it’s nothing mandatory, just common sense. If you noticed the specifics were not on money, although if someone wants to give money! why not! if someone wants to give in helps, food, seeds, grains, clothing etc, as long as it’s not forced or it’s from their heart. So thus far pretty much everything that you have said sound to me like traditions of men and an utter dependance of everything that has come out of their mouth vs everything that issues out of the Mouth of GOD. I’ve been in that position before and so I know that you are going to have put to off man and go directly to the fount: GOD , and allow HIM to unveil truths that we couldn’t see clearly because we’ve made the horrible mistake of placing man/pastor/bishop/deacon etc before or the mediator between us an GOD when it’s Jesus alone that is THE MEDIATOR for man. Let GOD be true and let every man be a lie (as per scripture). Also! double honor (IF, IF, IF he RULES WELL) just simply means extra respect or consideration, that’s why it says (HONOR). But if you want to give he or she the big piece of chicken or an extra buck or so, then that’s fine also, but in no wise does that mean to make one person in the body of Christ wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. That would be ignorance of the scriptures. So in conclusion: those that fear and don’t trust in the LORD and lack faith will exercise this unknown NT made-up right to try to continue to extract 10% of the peoples money from them on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. While others will trust in The LORD and maintain their faith to depend on whatever The Lord sees fit with the free will offerings as per NT. Remember! Jesus knows more than we do. Do you think that if HE wants anyone (especially) a gentile to pay a tenth part to anybody under the New Covenant that there would be nice crystal clear instructions and a command with plenty examples by Paul and the rest of the Apostles? Do you ever see Jesus ask for or receive a tithe and HE is GOD in the flesh. Think! study! All you have to do is ask HIM for yourself. Quit running to a fleshly man for a spiritual answer. Money is the root of all evil.

          Thanks for your time
          Your fellow servant in Christ

      • I havn’t read anywhere in the New Testament about Tithes. Many of times about giving; evening to the point where people sold their stuff so everyone could have alike..

    • The tithe is not is not payment for a gentile pastor, nor is the tithe money. The tithe is FOOD. Unless a pastor is of the Levitical priestly order and The Temple is in full operation, then maybe. Let’s not forget about the poor tithe or the festival tithe, or did you know these other tithes even existed? Why can’t the pastors work a job like the apostle Paul or is their ministry greater than Paul’s? What do you think that is due HIM now? wait for it! It is you and I plus anyone else that is truly in the body of Christ. Give yourself to him first! learn of HIM and what HE is calling for by way of studying! studying! and more studying! cleanse our own ways and cease from all manner sin that we might be able to give honestly, properly, and with our understanding thus honoring the LORD and not man.

      Thanks for your time
      Your fellow servant in Christ

    • You just made a man equal with God! God is beyond reproach, no man is beyond reproach. God is perfect, No man is perfect! God is without sin, No man is without sin. The Bishop is not God’s word. They both are not the same and should never be considered the same. Also, just because it worked for you does not make it true! There are people in this world who say they chant every day and do good things every day and as a result good things happen in their lives! These people are called Buddhist! They do not believe in Jesus or the God of the Bible but they tried it and it worked for them so they say their way is just as true as yours. Its not, but my point is that you can not say because you did something and believed it and it worked that its true. truth is what the Bible says truth is, and honestly, tithing like in the old testament was changed by Jesus. 2 Corinthians 9:6Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed; ***NOW if you want to base your faith on this, then you will be on a solid foundation and not sinking sand! God bless. Sincerely, Elder Hunter

      • You know Brother, there are many that refuse to learn the truth , and they may be many that are not saved but believe they are. But Scripture say this: (2 Corithinians 4:3-4 ) 3 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing the truth. And there are some that knows the truth but their greed has blinded them. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” So bro, may I as you this, why is it so hard to see the truth, and why is that even iwhen it been revealed to you, it is so hard to understand.? I’m not questioning you’re salvation, but I am wondering about the legalism you’re portraying and your lack of concern of knowing the truth. And how it is so easy for you to take Scripture out of context to justify your heresy. However, I believe at one time or another, we all at some point got caught up with tradition and lawlessness, where we actually forgot about the Grace of God and was in bondage of the law. Before I open up the “can of worms” regarding the law vs. Grace, I do understand what it mean regarding the law- so just to put a lid on that can, let’s not get into it, because first of all the cerominial law is done with, and I hope you agree, because if you don’t, then this debate is irrelevant. Nevertheless, if anyone do not understand that 10% tithing is done with rather you’re Jew, Gentile, man , woman, or even circumcised or uncircumcised, have me to wonder If (2 Corintians 4::3-4) stands to be true to some. But, that is not to say, a believer can’t believe a lie, because it is written throughout Scripture that we believers need to keep a watch out for the false teachers, and I truly believe a lot of God’s people are not watching…

  5. ANYONE who would vote for a man because of his color as opposed to him being a moral man- Christian or not- is a phony Christian. In my opinion any black Christian who voted for Obama is ignorant of the Word at best or an apostate at the worst.
    When I heard TD Jakes giving support to Obama it made me sick. I think Jakes is his own biggest fan. I no longer listen to him or respect him. I believe he is one of those who the Lord said He will catch in their own craftiness. Fora contrast in a Black Pastor, Check out Philip Goudeaux….a Godly man who who pastors a 20,000 member congregation and who refused to seek the favor of man by rejecting the Obama fever. He received death threats for his opinion. I marched for civil rights in the 60′s and am grieved at the condition of black people today where 92% voted for Obama and his pro abortion, pro gay rights, pro gay marriage, pro illegal immigrants agenda has truly hurt all of us….but the black people in particular. That is what amazes me.. They have bought into the liberal agenda. Only God, not the liberals, can provide us with what we need.

  6. The truth about this FALSE TEACHING is getting out , thank God! Every preacher that handles God’s word should know that tithing IS NOT REQUIRED for New Testament believers. Many preachers know but does not want this truth exposed.

  7. It is so sad that so many people are going to be lost because they follow a personality rather than Christ. It is okay to love and respect our church leaders, but we need to remember that they are human and not God. Pray for TD Jakes that he will get back onto the path of God’s righteousness and the rest of us are to keep our eyes on Jesus and the Bible so when people like TD Jakes stops following God the Holy Spirit in you will let you know. Then you have to have the love of God in you enough to be led by the Holy Spirit as to your next move. Do not get lost behind a preacher.

  8. Ok you say he is teaching the word of God. Then when will God raise the people from poverty? Maybe Jake took the word to himself and left every one else empty words. I see he is the big rich preacher when will this word make other in his image? when will peace come to the word trough this word? when will single mother be reunited with fathers and husband and children have fathers again? since you all believe in Jake and this word? 52 years I have been hearing the same talk the projects are still here poor people are still here the powers that be are still the powers that be. black folks still have the Willy Lynch slave mind. On and on so what day can I expect a fundamental change for the people on the planet? You say when that will happen? people the bible can not be held accountable you can not ask question as I because you all are still programed by the slave mind. Well now that you all a truly pissed at me for showing you the truth you are ready to get at me and keep believing that tomorrow it will be better. Sad sad sad

  9. We were born and the bible was here before our birth. Was told it is the word of God, made to attend church by parents, forced feed Jesus, given Christmas and Santa Claus as truth, Easter, palm Sunday, 4th of July, thanks giving, new years, saint Patrick day and the list goes on. Now, hear is a thought for you. Since all this was in place before every man woman and child on earth today was born then how do we know all of this is not a lie? The bible? word of God? written 2000 years ago? Ok if you look at the state of the world today a true savior is really late getting here. Ask yourself in 20 years how many of the people that attend the td Jake lectures has attained the same finical status he enjoys. The man that he rent from his church in front of the congregation in order to use the Willy Lynch tactic to scare the other slave to stay in line, was that brother made a millionaire as Jake, after 20 years he still had a job. I’m 52 years on the planet still looking for Jesus to show up and save somebody. People at what point do you stop and ask yourself. Why are things still the same after 52 years of going to church and doing every thing i’m told and still today no Jesus not enough money to cover everything. What do you look like giving your hard earned money to a man worth millions more that you. Because it is written in the book that the Romans wrote you must do that? None of you know about the council of Nicaea that took place in Rome? It was their that the Bible was put together to have all people to believe in their God. (A Roman God). Ok What about King Leopold letter to the Christian missionaries going into Africa? He Told them something all black people need to hear. Look it up and you people will see that you have been bamboozled and the book you believe in has been the root cause of the trick. Now, I know all of you closed minded scared blacks want to get at me for speaking truth that you can not handled. I know you want to bury you head in the sand and hope for the best when in fact it never will .

  10. We were born and the bible was here before our birth. Was told it is the word of God, made to attend church by parents, forced feed Jesus, given Christmas and Santa Claus as truth, Easter, palm Sunday, 4th of July, thanks giving, new years, saint Patrick day and the list goes on. Now, hear is a thought for you. Since all this was in place before every man woman and child on earth today was born then how do we know all of this is not a lie? The bible? word of God? written 2000 years ago? Ok if you look at the state of the world today a true savior is really late getting here. Ask yourself in 20 years how many of the people that attend the td Jake lectures has attained the same finical status he enjoys. The man that he rent from his church in front of the congregation in order to use the Willy Lynch tactic to scare the other slave to stay in line, was that brother made a millionaire as Jake, after 20 years he still had a job. I’m 52 years on the planet still looking for Jesus to show up and save somebody. People at what point do you stop and ask yourself. Why are things still that same after 52 years of going to church and doing every thing i’m told and still today no Jesus not enough money to cover everything. What do you look like give your hard earned money to a man worth millions more that you. Because it is written in the book that the Romans wrote . None of you know about the council of Nicaea that took place in Rome? It

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  12. The Old Testament law required that a tenth of all produce, flocks, and cattle be given to support the Levites (the priestly class in ancient Israel). In turn, the Levites were to give a tenth of that for support of the high priest (Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18:21-28). An additional tithe, collected every three years, was to be used to meet the needs of the Levites, foreigners, orphans and widows. (Deuteronomy 26:12-13). Additional tithes were taken for festival purposes.

    In addition, everyone was to be generous with those in need: If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs. (NIV, Deuteronomy 15:7-8)

    The New Testament does not give any specific rules about tithing, and most aspects of the Old Testament Law do not apply to Christians. However, Jesus made it clear that we are obligated to be generous to those in need (Matthew 25:31-46).

    Giving is to be done cheerfully, rather than as an obligation (2 Corinthians 9:6-7), and not for the purpose of public recognition (Matthew 6:1-4). The amount to give is not necessarily ten percent (Matthew 19:21, Luke 18:22, 21:1-4, Hebrews 13:16, 1 John 3:17). Generous giving is an acknowledgment that everything we have is a gift from God, and is to be used in His service (Luke 12:33, Acts 20:35, 1 Timothy 6:17-19, James 1:17, 1:27, 1 Peter 4:10).

    Bishop Jakes is no doubt a vessel being used to deliver God’s word. The rest of the time he’s a human being filled with frailties just like the all of us. You don’t worship the man. You worship God for using the man to get His messages to you.

    • I just want to say to your comment Amen! If we say God speak or spoke to me about everyday life, why can’t he speak to us about our giving. God is not a God of confusion, he really don’t need our money, but we should understand the rule of the land, building God’s Kingdom take money in the 21st Century. Give as he bless you and you will have more than enough.

  13. Lawd have mercy, cause haters gon hate. He’s worth as much as he is because he has sold millions of books, has had several successful conferences and has had bestselling albums and blockbuster movies. He doesn’t take a dime from the church….he doesn’t have to. And where is it written that he has to be poor in order to win souls for GOD? Poverty is a curse, one i want no part of. We HAVE to pay tithes to the church…that iS in the bible, and if someone wants to spend their money to hear the word then so be it. Mind ya business!

    • For real! Or at least run a spell check. Hard to take someone seriously that can’t even get the spelling/grammer in their article correct.

  14. My belief is to follow the word of the Lord and not to make the man (ie. pastor) the celebrity. When it gets to the point that the actual man becomes more of a “celebrity” figure/larger and becomes bigger than the word of God, that is when I tend to look it things a little more skeptically. I mean it is good to tithe, but bottomline, these church figures are not supposed to be getting rich off it and it they are then there is a problem somewhere along the line. Period. Before you just follow someone, know exactly who you are following. Now, some sites list his net worth along the line of $150 million. If that is true, there is nothing that makes me believe that a preacher/bishop/pastor needs to hold onto that much money. NOPE. And why did he get so uptight and put the man out of the church is a reason to look twice. Something in the buttermilk isn’t clean

  15. this happens to be one of the most dumbest posts i ever read about bishop jakes. why is it okay to make it rain at strip clubs and not offer tithes to the church? the problem with our people is that we have everything butt ass backwards. and it’s obvious the author failed to mention about all of the great charitable work this man does in helping people rebuild their lives. back during the most turbulent times in black history, the church has been a sanctuary to help wounded souls despite some of the wolves out there that prey on the masses.

    i don’t blame the bishop kicking his ass out because it’s obvious that dude was a distraction and a pitiful attempt to cash in on his wack ass book. i happened to have stumbled upon this article while actually perusing sermons on brother jakes. my question is who the heck is perfect and what is the author doing to better humanity besides walking around with a wig and a beard smdh?

    some of our people are so blind that they think it’s okay not to prosper. however bishop hails from a small town in west virginia. i guess if God wasn’t blessing him, there wouldn’t be any devils out there to create wack ass gossip blogs and bootleg books huh lol? God knew that man would love money more than Him and tithing is a way to to trust God and not man. Besides i would rather offer my ten percent to the church and understand that my faith is tantamount through obedience and not putting my hard earned money between the ass cheeks of a filthy stripper.

    gee, i guess mlk was the only pastor that dared to have a heart in this crazy mixed up world. thanks for the inspiration to write a couple of paragraphs to clown these idiots that will continue to walk in spiritual darkness. lawd ham mercy on their ratchet souls lol!

    • You wouldn’t have said it better…………………this is my take pay your tithe rightfully as God requires you to, whatever a pastor decides to do with it. That is his problem and he is answerable to God above. I love T.Jake to bits God knows how many times his sermons have lifted me up from my darkest moment in life. God bless him more more more mooooooooooore and even more

      • That’s you’re problem right there, you love man uh? That man preach another gospel and you don’t even see it. You actually think you have to pay tithes in grace period? And if we were still under the Mosiac law, you are Gentile and we’re not obligated to pay tithe. Also the only ones that was able to receive a tithe is the Levite priest, and if you really want to get technical why you don’t give burnt offerings, or stone your fellow church member for fornication,? How about working on a Saturday (sabsbath)? One more washing your cup before you drink, but your heart still dirty. Circumsium of of the outer appearance doesn’t circumcise your heart. It all ties together my sister. Pray and study to show thyself approved…”

        But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.” (Romans 2:29 esv)

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          The attack of the ten commandments: the sabbath controversy
          Look into the fourth commandment or with you Saturday’s while others Sunday. Exodus 20:8-10. …unto your God. So six days you labour, what ever day you start title the sixth day and that 7th day its reserved. Does God give in structions how to live the 21st century? To you what is your. Concern about the christian sabbath when you suppose to be about yours? Stay tuned, forgive, surrender and start afresh in the presence of the lord and speak no problem towards your fellow man. Y? Bcuz we are all connected. We all come through that birth canal yet we don’t go out the same way.. Selah.

          • Would you not help out a friends on the sabbath? Or would you leave them hanging? The purpose of Christ dying for our sins is because we could not keep the Mosiac law.
            We are to give and if we to give under the grace period as 2 Corinthins 9:7 says, we won’t be in bondage or forced to trying to give and scrap up a hard time earn money; as you know everyonse not able. 10% is the problem. That round systematic number.
            And yes God does give us instruction for the 21 century. I truly don”t understand why anyone would ask that question. I could go on and on, but if it were meant for you to understand, and God’s Will one day you will, then you’ll see for yourself and will look back and say all I’ve done in my WALK in my RELIGION was all in VAIN.

      • Please provide Scripture where belivers are required to pay a tithe of any kind. Study to sow yourself approved rightly dividing the word of truth.

      • I agree anita, it does not matter what man do with the money. They have to answer to the Father. Now did he have to have him dragged out. No. Ever heard the sayin” kill them with kindness”. Ive seen things happen where the hater would have to come back and ask for forgiveness. We are not under the law. But it all belong to God. I see giving as a act of faith(belief) but it’s giving when He says and how and where. I can testify of when God said give my whole check and many doors opened for me house job etc… Even recently God said give someone a hundred dollars and I received a check for $1100. Someone said they owed me from 2012. So the message is Seek first the kingdom of God before you give or do anything, even down to answering the phone.

    • I don’t think it’s backwards. Study the subject fully and in depth and you’ll understand what tithing really is. I agree no one is perfect, but understand people have been put under dogma and false doctrines long enough and God will call people forward to warn the people. A lot of people will not heed. The Bible tells us broad is the way that leads to destruction. There’s is absolutely nothing wrong with prospering, but there’s absolutely something wrong with telling people that in order to be blessed you have to pay tithes. How many people in the world then would just come to these church building and do that then if that’s all we have to do? That’s dogma and it’s lies. Christmas went out and helped the poor and needy. Church is an English word. The original word is ecclesia which means called out ones. And since we think we have to give to the word we see mistranslated, we now have all this confusion. You gain no magical compound interest by giving your money to a church. If I give my money to the poor man on a corner, God can and will still bless me in any way he sees fit. The brother is trying to free people from the lies. That’s all.

    • Jej, I agree with you. You are correct in that we are no longer under the law. That is why Jesus came, he fulfilled it. It is no need trying to get them to understand THEY CAN’T HEAR YOU!! When they are ready God will reveal Until that happens God bless for you efforts.

  16. Why are fags always overly concerned about what other people look like?? How are you going to comment on a Pastor going against the word of God when you’re gay? A bit double-standard-ish isn’t it, lol.

  17. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto GOD what is GODs. What in the world does that have to do with the tithe? Remember this one fact! The Lord speaks specific! He is the true truth! so when it comes down to it, let EVERY MAN be a LIE! and let GOD BE TRUE! I also believe that: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s was referring to a literal tax imposed by Caesar. But render unto GOD what is GODs” is something that I believe Him to be saying: render the all of you to GOD, mind, body and soul in full service, day and night. The body of Christ is suffering because we are willingly ignorant. We will not study/read for ourselves. We rather be lazy and depend on a man/pastor/preacher instead of Jesus the one that saved us. Remember! Christ is the Head! everyone else is the body and that includes your pastors and bishops. They are merely your fellow servants. Everything that you want to know concerning TRUTH is all found in the WORD. If you want to know about the tithes, take time out and commune with the Lord in His Word and He with show you The Truth about the tithe, if you really want to know! The tenth/tithe is simply of a food source and has been given to a specific tribe of Israel, the Levites! Numbers 18. The tenths/tithes is not on a filthy buck but on FOOD! and I challenge anyone to find in scripture where the tenths have been changed from food to money by the Lord Himself or where is it written any where in the scriptures that the tenths/tithes have been transferred from the Levitical priesthood and given to a gentile minister/preacher/pastor/prophet/bishop. We are all priest in the body of Christ. Please don’t believe that lie that they did not have money back then because that is a huge lie, study it for yourself. This false tithe that men take today and it’s frequency is not found written anywhere in my Bible according to my 4 years of research. Can anyone tell me if they have received a poor tithe or did you even know that it existed? What about the festival tithe? this tithe was eaten before the Lord in the place that he would prescribe. We were all duped by following man/pastors with the book of Malachi, and it’s our own fault! All we had to do was to read the book of Malachi starting with chapter 1. The Lord clearly say’s who He is speaking to, and it is not us. He tells you plainly who is robbing him and what nation he is talking to, the scripture did not say the ENTIRE WORLD. He is speaking to a specific people in a specific nation, and if I may say the windows of Heaven is simply rain, and meat in MY house is simply food and the devourer is literary insects/bugs eating up the crops. So the question is! why are these ministers telling us this falsehood, it isn’t but two reasons why. They are unlearned and are following the traditions of men or they are doing this intentionally, either way they are wrong. If by tradition of men! then why are you telling people things that you know not about, or on the other hand, if done intentionally! it is our job to confront these wicked ministers and to expose them, or continue to sin with them. Remember! there is no mediator between GOD and man but JESUS alone, NOT any PASTOR or any man, they are just your fellow servant. Also why do we give to one man/pastor? The scripture says that he is to get his living from the Gospel NOT TO MAKE his living off the Gospel. Have we lost our minds! Why do we continue to give to one man and neglect our brother or sister sitting right next to us? Have you ever realized that you have to wait mystically, in faith, on your financial blessing! but the pastor gets his right off the top which takes no faith at all. So either the Lord loves a certain part of the body more than the other, or we have this thing all wrong. Listen, if I have anywhere from 3000-30,000 people that I have convinced to give me money every Sunday and Wednesday twice in one day! and some Monday’s! then guess what! I am paid, and this does not include this unscriptural tithe that they take, that does not belong to them. Sorry, but for the most part the gathering should be for those that have a need, that the needs of the people might be met. We are all guilty of making one brother/pastor/fellow servant wealthy and left all others in the same body lacking, and then we actually believed that this foolishness was from the Lord, to boot! Why would we keep giving to one person that is obviously well supplied and fed. We knew to stop in our hearts when we seen the Mansions and Rolls Royces plus the benzes. What part of this resembles Jesus, john the baptist, or any of the Apostles. We have over paid these pastors/members in the body of Christ and don’t even realize that we have done evil. This is not what took place in the early Church as per the book of Acts. They at least tried to meet the needs of the brethren that there would be no lack, and I don’t mean making one rich or excusing anyone from working a job. Let’s get one thing straight, these pastors, preachers, bishops, and alleged prophets are NOT Apostles. You all know full well that you can’t find any of the apostles or Christ himself asking for or receiving a tithe. How could they? When all of the tithes were given to the tribe of the Levtical priesthood by GOD for the work they do for serving at the meeting tent, and that’s within Israel. So let’s stop equating these gentile pastors and bishops to the tribe of Levite or The High Priest, in which JESUS CHRIST himself alone is now our High Priest and not any man. By the way, who told you as a gentile to pay a tithe? was it a man or the Lord? Before you answer, back up your answer with scripture and not with what a man told you. That would be putting man before God. To really know the truth about the tithe and any other partial or snippet of scripture that you think that you were taught by these alleged pastors, you would have to step away from the visible Church house and go directly to your source, The Word of God and ask the One that created you, saved you and The one that you plan on spending all of eternity with, and see if He will not help you. Also the visible Church is not the Church, the people that make up the body of Christ is the true Church, in fact any body in the body of Chist is the Church. Be not deceived! quite a bit of these ministers may have started off well, but have become overtaken by money, fame (egged on by the people), and their own ego. Remember! you cannot serve mammon and God. If you think that this can be done by the majority of ministers, just see if they will sell all and give to the poor. Ok, lets try this, how many people do you know personally that have been healed? 1 person 2 people? half of the people or all of the people? how many delivered? how many raised from the dead? or how many made wealthy among you? as if the gospel was delivered to us to make us wealthy. The scriptures say that the poor you have with you all way, but you see that we have a conflict! the lot of these ministers say that you are suppose to be rich. So who’s lying here? We know it’s not The Word of God. We have fallen into all of this false teaching and twisting of scripture because we will not study! or in better words: commune with GOD through JESUS in His Word, The Bible. We have substituted getting to know our Husband The LORD by not studying, and have looked instead for brownie points by going out to a building that we call the Church every Sunday and Wednesday and saying within ourselves that this should be a credit to my account for getting into Heaven, knowing full well that we have not learned anything, but you can say that the Choir was nice or on point and things like, he sure did preach! He preached what? Do you mean that he was entertaining? because for the most part the saint that has been saved for any period of time have already heard this same message. We’ve heard the gospel preached, received the Gospel and are now saved. So why do you keep listening to the Gospel message again and again after you have believed and received. Shouldn’t we ought to be spreading the gospel after we have received it? Congregating is nice, but how is this developing your relationship to get closer and closer to the Lord? For the most part these ministers/pastors are not going to encourage you to move on in the Lord by insisting that you study to further prepare yourself for your own work in the Lord, because we are all in the body for a reason to do something. But why wouldn’t they tell you this? First you might learn and know more than they do and second, they may have a fear of you leaving thus losing headcount, funds/money. We were never saved/called to follow a man to this degree. I have personally never met a true pastor. I’ve met a lot of preachers. A true pastor is a somewhat overseer and warns the people in hopes of not losing any brother or sister in Christ. So what is a mega Church? by the way this place we call the Church is actually a meeting place and it does not take a million dollar building, tents and folding chairs will do. But if you say you go to or you have a mega Church, then who is overseeing you properly or how are you overseeing thousands. Also as a large side note, or pretty much a question, Please show me in scripture this message that these ministers are preaching about health wealth and prosperity or any of these raising-money a-thons. Where and when did Jesus or any of the Apostles carry this message? We fall into many hurtful things by not knowing the scriptures. Do you people realize how many times these pastors have sent their kids to college on your money while you can’t send your kids? and buy these huge homes with the peoples money while you can barely afford your rent or do you even care? Do you think that these people are more loved or special than you in the sight of THE LORD? really? Interestingly the Apostle paul worked a job and provided for himself and if I’m correct I believe he said that he helped those around him. Although paul received some help here or there he also said that he rejected the people’s gold(money) and fine raiment. So are we saying that these pastors are above the Apostle paul? Absolutely NOT! unless we have lost our minds completely. Have we? People! we are bordering on Idolatry by placing a man above Christ or on the same level as Christ. The is a grave error and should be stopped immediately! I believe that we have lost perspective. This way of thinking did not come from above. As for the entire body of Christ, let no man deceive you. Let no man take you crown nor give it to him. Let no man/pastor/bishop or alleged prophet tell you that you have nothing to say as a member in the body of Christ. Please remember that you were personally invited to the wedding feast by The One who saved you and not by man. You are very important in the body of Christ and let no man tell you otherwise. We should be willing to give all to GOD through JESUS. That is our heart, mind, and body. Please do not be afraid to point out, speak up and expose any and everything that is not like GOD in accordance to the scriptures, no matter if they be a bishop or a pastor. Do these things internally. Keep JESUS first and endure till the end. Remember! in the world you will have trouble but in him you will have peace, but the scripture did not say: in the world you will have trouble but in him you’ll have peace. I found out the truth about the tithe and the no tithe under The New Covenant about 19 years after being saved and I did not receive it from a man directly. Also, lets not fall for the Abraham argument. Let’s not revert back! The last information that we were given concerning the tithe before the Old Covenant was closed off, is that! whatever the tithe was that suppose to have preceded the Law, be it the Abraham or Jacob tithe. The latest and the last update that we have is that The Lord gave all of the tenths/tithe to that particular tribe of Levi, and there is no known scripture that reverts us back to pre-law and even if there were to whom would we give them to? We would have to find Melchizedek, drum up some spoils of war, give the tenth part, and then give the 90th part back or 90% back, which would leave the tither with zero. None of these ministers/preachers/pastors/bishops/alleged prophets are Melchizedek nor a High Priest. As a side note: I have heard some of the Melchizedek Shem debate. Please read! Please read! Please study for yourselves and repent.

    Thanks for your time
    Your fellow servant in Christ
    Reply

    • But if you were so filled with the holy spirit, then why are you on this site digging for tea with the rest of us? *SIDE EYE*

      • First! which letter are you replying to? If the long letter by Repent! then how is it difficult to read? Just read it straight through. Paragraphs and punctuation are for those who are looking for them. Do you think that The original letters in The Bible came with paragraphs and punctuations? You might want to try reading the letter all the way through before making a comment else you will miss the entire context of the message.

        Thanks for your time
        Your fellow servant in Christ

    • Please just stop ……………………….or else you will go insane if you try to reason like you are doing right now. May God remember you today

    • There are many Biblical scriptures that support the Biblical practice of giving to churches that are “good ground”. Not all churches are good to invest in, but God is to be the judge not us. The key is to be led by God’s spirit in your giving. It is expensive to maintain a church in a commercial building, to put on events, host outreach events, and to give back to the less fortunate in our communities. We have no problem paying for secular professions and solutions. The work of ministry is time consuming, mission work and evangelism is financially and spiritually costly, and physically tiring. But it has lasting impressions on people’s lives, and only what we do for Christ will last. We should use part of our income to build and maintain the ministries that build and maintain us. We need to get our priorities straight. Moderation is key. Your dissertation lacks balance..

      • It is funny how you said all of that and really said nothing. In all that you said you failed to provide scripture to confirm what you said God said. Nothing you said made sense. You are the “church” not the large building that you run to every time they let you in. Please pay a tithe in someone life! MAD CHURCH DISEASE!

  18. Render unto caesar what is caesars and render unto GOD what is GODs. What in the world does that have to do with the tithe? Remember this one fact! The Lord speaks specific! He is the true truth! so when it comes down to it, let EVERY MAN be a LIE! and let GOD BE TRUE! The body of Christ is suffering because we are willingly ignorant. We will not study/read for ourselves. We rather be lazy and depend on a man/pastor/preacher instead of Jesus the one that saved us. Remember! Christ is the Head! everyone else is the body and that includes your pastors and bishops. They are merely your fellow servants. Everything that you want to know concerning TRUTH is all found in the WORD. If you want to know about the tithes, take time out and commune with the Lord in His Word and He with show you The Truth about the tithe, if you really want to know! The tenth/tithe is simply of a food source and has been given to a specific tribe of Israel, the Levites! Numbers 18. The tenths/tithes is not on a filthy buck and I challenge anyone to find in scripture where the tenths have been changed from food to money by the Lord Himself or where is it written any where in the scriptures that the tenths/tithes have been transferred from the Levitical priesthood and given to a gentile minister/preacher/pastor/prophet/bishop. We are all priest in the body of Christ. Please don’t believe that lie that they did not have money back then because that is a huge lie, study it for yourself. This false tithe that men take today and it’s frequency is not found written anywhere in my Bible according to my 4 years of research. Can anyone tell me if they have received a poor tithe or did you even know that it existed? What about the festival tithe? this tithe was eaten before the Lord in the place that he would prescribe. We were all duped by following man/pastors with the book of Malachi, and it’s our own fault! All we had to do was to read the book of Malachi starting with chapter 1. The Lord clearly say’s who He is speaking to, and it is not us. He tells you plainly who is robbing him and what nation he is talking to, the scripture did not say the ENTIRE WORLD. He is speaking to a specific people in a specific nation, and if I may say the windows of Heaven is simply rain, and meat in MY house is simply food and the devourer is literary insects/bugs eating up the crops. So the question is! why are these ministers telling us this falsehood, it isn’t but two reasons why. They are unlearned and are following the traditions of men or they are doing this intentionally, either way they are wrong. If by tradition of men! then why are you telling people things that you know not about, or on the other hand, if done intentionally! it is our job to confront these wicked ministers and to expose them, or continue to sin with them. Remember! there is no mediator between GOD and man but JESUS alone, NOT any PASTOR or any man, they are just your fellow servant. Also why do we give to one man/pastor? The scripture says that he is to get his living from the Gospel NOT TO MAKE his living off the Gospel. Have we lost our minds! Why do we continue to give to one man and neglect our brother or sister sitting right next to us? Have you ever realized that you have to wait mystically, in faith, on your financial blessing! but the pastor gets his right off the top which takes no faith at all. So either the Lord loves a certain part of the body more than the other, or we have this thing all wrong. Listen, if I have anywhere from 3000-30,000 people that I have convinced to give me money every Sunday and Wednesday twice in one day! and some Monday’s! then guess what! I am paid, and this does not include this unscriptural tithe that they take, that does not belong to them. Sorry, but for the most part the gathering should be for those that have a need, that the needs of the people might be met. We are all guilty of making one brother/pastor/fellow servant wealthy and left all others in the same body lacking, and then we actually believed that this foolishness was from the Lord, to boot! Why would we keep giving to one person that is obviously well supplied and fed. We knew to stop in our hearts when we seen the Mansions and Rolls Royces plus the benzes. What part of this resembles Jesus, john the baptist, or any of the Apostles. We have over paid these pastors/members in the body of Christ and don’t even realize that we have done evil. This is not what took place in the early Church as per the book of Acts. They at least tried to meet the needs of the brethren that there would be no lack, and I don’t mean making one rich or excusing anyone from working a job. Let’s get one thing straight, these pastors, preachers, bishops, and alleged prophets are NOT Apostles. You all know full well that you can’t find any of the apostles or Christ himself asking for or receiving a tithe. How could they? When all of the tithes were given to the tribe of the Levtical priesthood by GOD for the work they do for serving at the meeting tent, and that’s within Israel. So let’s stop equating these gentile pastors and bishops to the tribe of Levite or The High Priest, in which JESUS CHRIST himself alone is now our High Priest and not any man. By the way, who told you as a gentile to pay a tithe? was it a man or the Lord? Before you answer, back up your answer with scripture and not with what a man told you. That would be putting man before God. To really know the truth about the tithe and any other partial or snippet of scripture that you think that you were taught by these alleged pastors, you would have to step away from the visible Church house and go directly to your source, The Word of God and ask the One that created you, saved you and The one that you plan on spending all of eternity with, and see if He will not help you. Also the visible Church is not the Church, the people that make up the body of Christ is the true Church, in fact any body in the body of Chist is the Church. Be not deceived! quite a bit of these ministers may have started off well, but have become overtaken by money, fame (egged on by the people), and their own ego. Remember! you cannot serve mammon and God. If you think that this can be done by the majority of ministers, just see if they will sell all and give to the poor. Ok, lets try this, how many people do you know personally that have been healed? 1 person 2 people? half of the people or all of the people? how many delivered? how many raised from the dead? or how many made wealthy among you? as if the gospel was delivered to us to make us wealthy. The scriptures say that the poor you have with you all way, but you see that we have a conflict! the lot of these ministers say that you are suppose to be rich. So who’s lying here? We know it’s not The Word of God. We have fallen into all of this false teaching and twisting of scripture because we will not study! or in better words: commune with GOD through JESUS in His Word, The Bible. We have substituted getting to know our Husband The LORD by not studying, and have looked instead for brownie points by going out to a building that we call the Church every Sunday and Wednesday and saying within ourselves that this should be a credit to my account for getting into Heaven, knowing full well that we have not learned anything, but you can say that the Choir was nice or on point and things like, he sure did preach! He preached what? Do you mean that he was entertaining? because for the most part the saint that has been saved for any period of time have already heard this same message. We’ve heard the gospel preached, received the Gospel and are now saved. So why do you keep listening to the Gospel message again and again after you have believed and received. Shouldn’t we ought to be spreading the gospel after we have received it? Congregating is nice, but how is this developing your relationship to get closer and closer to the Lord? For the most part these ministers/pastors are not going to encourage you to move on in the Lord by insisting that you study to further prepare yourself for your own work in the Lord, because we are all in the body for a reason to do something. But why wouldn’t they tell you this? First you might learn and know more than they do and second, they may have a fear of you leaving thus losing headcount, funds/money. We were never saved/called to follow a man to this degree. I have personally never met a true pastor. I’ve met a lot of preachers. A true pastor is a somewhat overseer and warns the people in hopes of not losing any brother or sister in Christ. So what is a mega Church? by the way this place we call the Church is actually a meeting place and it does not take a million dollar building, tents and folding chairs will do. But if you say you go to or you have a mega Church, then who is overseeing you properly or how are you overseeing thousands. Also as a large side note, or pretty much a question, Please show me in scripture this message that these ministers are preaching about health wealth and prosperity or any of these raising-money a-thons. Where and when did Jesus or any of the Apostles carry this message? We fall into many hurtful things by not knowing the scriptures. Do you people realize how many times these pastors have sent their kids to college on your money while you can’t send your kids? and buy these huge homes with the peoples money while you can barely afford your rent or do you even care? Do you think that these people are more loved or special than you in the sight of THE LORD? really? Interestingly the Apostle paul worked a job and provided for himself and if I’m correct I believe he said that he helped those around him. Although paul received some help here or there he also said that he rejected the people’s gold(money) and fine raiment. So are we saying that these pastors are above the Apostle paul? Absolutely NOT! unless we have lost our minds completely. Have we? People! we are bordering on Idolatry by placing a man above Christ or on the same level as Christ. The is a grave error and should be stopped immediately! I believe that we have lost perspective. This way of thinking did not come from above. As for the entire body of Christ, let no man deceive you. Let no man take you crown nor give it to him. Let no man/pastor/bishop or alleged prophet tell you that you have nothing to say as a member in the body of Christ. Please remember that you were personally invited to the wedding feast by The One who saved you and not by man. You are very important in the body of Christ and let no man tell you otherwise. We should be willing to give all to GOD through JESUS. That is our heart, mind, and body. Please do not be afraid to point out, speak up and expose any and everything that is not like GOD in accordance to the scriptures, no matter if they be a bishop or a pastor. Do these things internally. Keep JESUS first and endure till the end. Remember! in the world you will have trouble but in him you will have peace, but the scripture did not say: in the world you will wealth but in him you’ll have peace. I found out the truth about the tithe and the no tithe under The New Covenant about 19 years after being saved and I did not receive it from a man directly. Please read! Please read! Please study for yourselves and repent.

    • I with you on this too! I myself did years of study on tithing and trust me, I got death years. I been accuses as evil and I’m working for the devil AND I’m hoping to hell. I tried talking to family and friends and either listened. What I learn is this. Unless you are saved by grace or should I say accepting His grace, yes! You will continue in bondage. Those folks whomever that may be is content to with that legalism and just as bad as the ones who teaches it. I love Christians and people in general and what’s the sad part is the so called church leaders has no fear of God the Father whatsoever and the are teaching another Gospel of Christ, which in turn is proof of no Holy Spirit in their lives.

      • You could not have said it better. We have so many people in bondage it’s ridiculous. Another thing, if any pastor call that calls Jesus a product isn’t getting an offering from me let alone a OT, Jewish Law, tithe from me. Jakes on the other hand just need prayor and seriously need to repent and I’m not just talking about the tithe thing. The problem with most of this list souls, is that they don’t read the bible , pray for themselves that sometimes have me wondering if they truly saved or just think they are. They are the good example of the blind leading the blind.

        Excuse the grammar, I just wanted to respond right quick on your reponse…

  19. Jesus said this…. render unto caesar what is caesars and render unto GOD what is GODs. The tithe belongs to him. Taxes belong
    to caesar. If you dont tithe you are not obedient. Just ask Jesus. Its sad that you clowns have no problem sowing your seed in the strip club and inthe liquor store but have a problem with me honoring GOD with 10% of my income. I promise you this, GOD will judge you long before he does the Bishop. Which is why most of you including that author is broke. Check his book sales. He is a selfish infidel and needs to repent. The bible had a word for that too.. Judas. Repent all of you.

    • Being broke has little importance in matters of eternity when one seeks God as opposed to seeking riches like TD Jakes, which the bible clearly prohibits.. He is a false prophet. He is a dangerous wolf which the bible clearly teaches will face condemnation for his apostasizing. I don’t spend my money on liquor clubs. I give to the church and the needy not to boast but in obedience to God giving Him only all the glory. And it’s not 10%. It’s 100% where God owns all your life and money so that as you give He allows you the wisdom to manage your finances and cover your needs.

    • Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto GOD what is GODs. What in the world does that have to do with the tithe? Remember this one fact! The Lord speaks specific! He is the true truth! so when it comes down to it, let EVERY MAN be a LIE! and let GOD BE TRUE! So let’s only speak about things that we know (studied) and not with what we’ve heard lest we lie and lead others astray. back up everything with scripture and prove all things. I also believe that: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto GOD what is GODs. What in the world does that have to do with the tithe? Remember this one fact! The Lord speaks specific! He is the true truth! so when it comes down to it, let EVERY MAN be a LIE! and let GOD BE TRUE! I also believe that: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s was referring to a literal tax imposed by Caesar. But render unto GOD what is GODs” is something that I believe Him to be saying: render the all of you to GOD, mind, body and soul in full service, day and night. The body of Christ is suffering because we are willingly ignorant. We will not study/read for ourselves. We rather be lazy and depend on a man/pastor/preacher instead of Jesus the one that saved us. Remember! Christ is the Head! everyone else is the body and that includes your pastors and bishops. They are merely your fellow servants. Everything that you want to know concerning TRUTH is all found in the WORD. If you want to know about the tithes, take time out and commune with the Lord in His Word and He with show you The Truth about the tithe, if you really want to know! The tenth/tithe is simply of a food source and has been given to a specific tribe of Israel, the Levites! Numbers 18. The tenths/tithes is not on a filthy buck but on FOOD! and I challenge anyone to find in scripture where the tenths have been changed from food to money by the Lord Himself or where is it written any where in the scriptures that the tenths/tithes have been transferred from the Levitical priesthood and given to a gentile minister/preacher/pastor/prophet/bishop. We are all priest in the body of Christ. Please don’t believe that lie that they did not have money back then because that is a huge lie, study it for yourself. This false tithe that men take today and it’s frequency is not found written anywhere in my Bible according to my 4 years of research. Can anyone tell me if they have received a poor tithe or did you even know that it existed? What about the festival tithe? this tithe was eaten before the Lord in the place that he would prescribe. We were all duped by following man/pastors with the book of Malachi, and it’s our own fault! All we had to do was to read the book of Malachi starting with chapter 1. The Lord clearly say’s who He is speaking to, and it is not us. He tells you plainly who is robbing him and what nation he is talking to, the scripture did not say the ENTIRE WORLD. He is speaking to a specific people in a specific nation, and if I may say the windows of Heaven is simply rain, and meat in MY house is simply food and the devourer is literary insects/bugs eating up the crops. So the question is! why are these ministers telling us this falsehood, it isn’t but two reasons why. They are unlearned and are following the traditions of men or they are doing this intentionally, either way they are wrong. If by tradition of men! then why are you telling people things that you know not about, or on the other hand, if done intentionally! it is our job to confront these wicked ministers and to expose them, or continue to sin with them. Remember! there is no mediator between GOD and man but JESUS alone, NOT any PASTOR or any man, they are just your fellow servant. Also why do we give to one man/pastor? The scripture says that he is to get his living from the Gospel NOT TO MAKE his living off the Gospel. Have we lost our minds! Why do we continue to give to one man and neglect our brother or sister sitting right next to us? Have you ever realized that you have to wait mystically, in faith, on your financial blessing! but the pastor gets his right off the top which takes no faith at all. So either the Lord loves a certain part of the body more than the other, or we have this thing all wrong. Listen, if I have anywhere from 3000-30,000 people that I have convinced to give me money every Sunday and Wednesday plus twice in one day! and some Monday’s! then guess what? I’m paid, and this does not include the unscriptural 10% tithe that they take/demmand, that does not belong to them. Sorry, but for the most part the gathering should be for those that have a need, that the needs of the people might be met. We are all guilty of making one brother/pastor/fellow servant wealthy and left all others in the same body lacking, and then we actually believed that this foolishness was from the Lord, to boot! Why would we keep giving to one person that is obviously well supplied and fed. We knew to stop in our hearts when we seen the Mansions and Rolls Royce’s plus the benze’s. What part of this resembles Jesus, john the baptist, or any of the Apostles. We have over paid these pastors/members in the body of Christ and don’t even realize that we have done evil. This is not what took place in the early Church as per the book of Acts. They at least tried to meet the needs of the brethren that there would be no lack, and I don’t mean making one rich or excusing anyone from working a job. Let’s get one thing straight, these pastors, preachers, bishops, and alleged prophets are NOT Apostles. You all know full well that you can’t find any of the apostles or Christ himself asking for or receiving a tithe. How could they? When all of the tithes were given to the tribe of Levi, the Levitical priesthood by GOD for the work they do for serving at the meeting tent, and that’s within the boundaries of Israel. So let’s stop equating these gentile pastors and bishops to the tribe of Levite or The High Priest, in which JESUS CHRIST himself alone is now our High Priest and not any man. By the way, who told you as a gentile to pay a tithe? was it a man or the Lord? Before you answer, back up your answer with scripture and not with what a man told you. That would be putting man before God. To really know the truth about the tithe and any other partial or snippet of scripture that you think that you were taught by these alleged pastors, you would have to step away from the visible Church house and go directly to your source, The Word of God and ask the One that created you, saved you and The one that you plan on spending all of eternity with, and see if He will help you. Also the visible Church is not the Church nor the Temple, the people that make up the body of Christ is the true Church and our bodies are the temple, in fact any body in the body of Christ is the Church. Be not deceived! quite a bit of these ministers may have started off well, but have become overtaken by money or fame (egged on by the people) and their own ego. Remember! you cannot serve mammon and God. If you think that this can be accomplished by the majority of ministers, just see if they will sell all and give to the poor. OK, lets try this, how many people do you know personally that have been healed? 1 person 2 people? half of the people or all of the people? how many delivered? how many raised from the dead? or how many made wealthy among you? as if the gospel was delivered to us to make us wealthy. The scriptures say that the poor you have with you all way, so you see that we have a conflict! lot of these ministers say that you are suppose to be rich. So who’s lying here? We know it’s not The Word of God. We have fallen into all of this false teaching and twisting of scripture because we will not study! or in better words: commune with GOD through JESUS in His Word, The Bible. We have substituted getting to know our Husband The LORD by not studying, and have looked instead for brownie points by going out to a building that we call the Church every Sunday and Wednesday and saying within ourselves that this should be a credit to my account for getting into Heaven, knowing full well that we have not learned anything, but you can say that the Choir was nice! or things like! he sure did preach! He preached what? Do you mean that he was entertaining? because for the most part the saint that has been saved for any period of time have already heard this same message. We’ve heard the gospel preached, received the Gospel and are now saved. So why do you keep listening to the Gospel message again and again after you have believed and received. Shouldn’t we ought to be spreading the gospel after we have received it? Congregating is nice, but how is this developing your relationship to get closer and closer to the Lord? For the most part these ministers/pastors are not going to encourage you to move on in the Lord by insisting that you study to further prepare yourself for your own work in the Lord, because we are all in the body for a reason to do something. But why wouldn’t they tell you this? First you might learn and know more than they do, and second, they may have a fear of you leaving thus losing headcount, funds/money. We were never saved/called to follow a man to this degree. I have personally never met a true pastor. I’ve met a lot of preachers. A true pastor is a somewhat overseer and warns the people in hopes of not losing any brother or sister in Christ. So what is a mega Church? by the way this place we call the Church is actually a meeting place and it does not take a million dollar building, tents and folding chairs will do. But if you say you go to a “mega Church” then who is overseeing you properly? or if you have a “mega Church” how are you overseeing thousands? Also as a large side note, or pretty much a question, Please show me in scripture this message that these ministers are preaching about health wealth and prosperity or any of these raising-money a-thons. Where and when did Jesus or any of the Apostles carry this message? We fall into many hurtful things by not knowing the scriptures. Do you people realize how many times these pastors have sent their children to college on your money while you can’t send your own kids? and buy these huge homes with the people money while you can barely afford pay your rent and bills? or do you even care? Do you think that these people are more loved or special than you in the sight of THE LORD? really? Interestingly the Apostle Paul worked a job and provided for himself and if I’m correct I believe he said that he helped those around him. Although Paul received some help here and there, he also said that he rejected the people’s gold(money) and fine raiment. So are we saying that these pastors are above the Apostle Paul? Absolutely NOT! unless we have lost our minds completely. Have we? People! we are bordering on Idolatry by placing a man above Christ or on the same level as Christ. The is a grave error and should be stopped immediately! I believe that we have lost perspective. This way of thinking did not come from above. As for the entire body of Christ, let no man deceive you. Let no man take you crown nor give it to him. Let no man/pastor/bishop or alleged prophet tell you that you have nothing to say as a member in the body of Christ. Please remember that you were personally invited to the wedding feast by The One who saved you and not by man. You are very important in the body of Christ and let no man tell you otherwise. We should be willing to give all to GOD through JESUS. That is our heart, mind, and body. Please do not be afraid to point this out, speak up and expose any and everything that is not like GOD in accordance to the scriptures, no matter if they be a bishop or a pastor. Do these things internally. Keep JESUS first and endure till the end. Remember! in the world you will have trouble but in him you will have peace, but the Scripture did not say: in the world you will have trouble but in him you’ll be made wealthy. I found out the truth about the tithe and that there is no tithe under The New Covenant about 19 years after being saved and I did not receive it from a man directly. Also, lets not fall for the Abraham argument. Let’s not revert back! The last information that we were given concerning the tithe before the Old Covenant was closed off, is that! whatever the tithe was that supposed to have preceded the Law, be it the Abraham or Jacob tithe. The latest and the last update that we have is that The Lord gave all of the tenths/tithe to that particular tribe of Israel, Levi, and there is no known scripture that reverts us back to pre-law and even if there were to whom would we give them to? We would have to find Melchizedek, drum up some spoils of war, give the tenth part, and then give the 90th part back or 90% back, which would leave the tither with zero. None of these ministers/preachers/pastors/bishops/alleged prophets are Melchizedek nor a High Priest. As a side note: I have heard some of the Melchizedek Shem debate. Please read! Please read! Please study for yourselves and repent.

      Your fellow servant in Christ

    • I agree with you, that’s why this nation is in such turmoil, everyone is believing what they want! IN LUKE 18:12 READS “I FAST TWICE IN THE WEEK I GIVE TITHES OF ALL THAT I POSSESS”!!. People need to stop worrying about the next man, and stop making excuses for not giving GOD whats do him.. just be obedient unto the LORD! REPENT and be Blessed…

        • Get it to him by using it to do his work helping those in far less situations than u are. Feed a hungry help to house someone ect this pleases him. Everyone is rambling on and forgetting that pastors wage comes from the congregation. Are we foregettin its not only tithes theres also offering the two are different wat they do with the tithes is their business as its theirs the offering on the other hand is GODs

          • The tithe is not is not payment for a gentile pastor, nor is the tithe money. The tithe is FOOD. Unless a pastor is of the Levitical priestly order and The Temple is in full operation, then maybe. Let’s not forget about the poor tithe or the festival tithe, or did you know these other tithes even existed? Why can’t the pastors work a job like the apostle Paul or is their ministry greater than Paul’s? What do you think that is due HIM now? wait for it! It is you and I plus anyone else that is truly in the body of Christ. Give yourself to him first! learn of HIM and what HE is calling for by way of studying! studying! and more studying! cleanse our own ways and cease from all manner sin that we might be able to give honestly, properly, and with our understanding thus honoring the LORD and not man.

            Thanks for your time
            Your fellow servant in Christ

      • Go read the rest of malachi and read nehemiah 10, 11,12,13 and tell me who God was speaking to. Read every single scripture about tithes and do some research and tell me who what where when why. Then I think you’ll be repenting. Be careful about how you back things you’ve been told and scriptures you’ve used singled out to make a conclusion.

  20. The David Lee incident is small by comparison to what is really wrong with TD Jakes. I pray David Lee finds strength and may God’s grace lead him and his family to a healthy church. TPH is a media empire and its entrepreneur leader has the arrogance and audacity to call himself a Bishop and Christian minister. One has to only read TPH’s statement of faith to see that TD Jakes denies the trinity. TD Jakes does not even believe the most basic tenets of the Christian faith, primarily that God is triune, one God revealed in three persons, co-existing, co-equal, and not one God revealed in three manifestations., thus qualifying TPH as a “Jesus Only” cultic movement. Upon close biblical examination one should clearly see that TD Jakes is nothing more and nothing less than a false prophet who empowers people to nothing more than believing in his ponze scheme and wanting to feel close to his celebrity all while deluding themselves that they are somehow under God’s favor. TD Jakes plays an important and vital role in biblical fulfillment- that of a false prophet on course with eternal damnation and on collision with God. TD Jakes is another wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is no man of God. He is an end times tool of Satan along with Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and all the other prosperity pimps who promise the masses health and wealth while they (the leaders) are the ones who enjoy such benefits at the cost of fleecing the flock. TD Jakes is God’s judgment upon people who have lost their will to discern, who according to the word have “itching ears” preferring to hear lies and fables for entertainment rather than hear sound doctrine and truth for spiritual growth. I believe the Holy Spirit will bring God’s people out of these churches and out of the bondages of falsehood. And in regards to the tithe we are to give joyously what we propose to give, not 10%, 15%, 30 or 80% but what we desire to give in our hearts joyfully and sacrificially and God promises to supply all our needs, not our greed. God bless

  21. There are many ways to tithe and make offering unto the Lord. The Bible does not say we must give 100% of our tithe or offering to our church home. Jesus could have been wealthy but chose to live a simple life helping others. Find ministries such as missionaries, food banks, rescue missions, poor families, Teen Challenge, Mercy Ships, and hundreds of other Christ based ministries. Supporting our church home is important!… but if a Pastor becomes wealthy from tithes or offering they have lost their way. I tithe from my gross income not net. I give to God first…not the U.S. Government. Whether you tithe from your net or gross income or other increases…give with cheerful heart and as quiet as possible…and be at peace either way. .

    • Amen RonM… I responded to a sister in another post but i wanted to re-post this to your comments which I really enjoyed.

      Rosalind Nickerson and Family,

      Honestly the incident that took place really isn’t the problem. To understand the problem it is so important that we get to the root of the problem. Church has changed and one of the root causes behind this change has to do with who is standing in our pulpits. Not all Pastors are bad but I think we have to admit that our pulpits are now filled with many men and women who care nothing for the people they lead. Their focus is on becoming increasingly more wealthy. It’s because of this focus that we are experiencing the kinds of immoral and illegal actions taking place in the churches we once loved and sinners once respected. Why do you think a faithful tithe paying church member cannot get a meeting with their pastor? The challenge is not to investigate whether the story is true or not (the courts WILL decide that as that is their job). Our challenge is to investigate the truth of what is being preached to us over our pulpits. Nearly every pastor knows tithing simply isn’t required. They also know that Jesus, none of the disciples nor any church ever tithed. You can read your Bible for 1000 years and not find it because it simply is not in there. The reason many of us as Christians struggle with this is because we simply take what we are told by the Pastor as truth without doing our due diligence to read the scriptures for ourselves and verify that what the minister is saying is actually in the Bible. Many of these Pastors today are different… nothing at all like the Pastors I grew up with.

      Let me be clear on a couple facts here Sis. I love you and I love the church. It’s because of that love that I have a Godly duty to tell the truth even if it costs me my life. I was a minister up until the time they stripped me of my license. They did this and had not even read the book! Can a man truly call himself a minister of God if he refuses to tell the truth? Am I nervous about this situation? Yes I am. They have much bigger guns, resources, lawyers, judges and money than my family of 6 has.

      These are a few facts:

      #1. The Church nor the Pastor are mentioned anywhere in the entire book because the issues discussed in the book are bigger than them. I learned early in life that small minds talk about people, ignorant people talk about things they know nothing about but great people enlighten others.

      #2. The incident did happen. You can get a copy of the Parker police report as well as a copy of the lawsuit filed against them for their illegal actions taken that day. Honestly the incident is not the “real” problem. The real problem rests with “why” they responded the way in which they did. What church traumatizes small children? I don’t have a lot of money and I feel like David facing Goliath and I wish I did not have to be in this position. I pray that the courts will get to the bottom of all that took place from a legal standpoint and God that God will hold ALL OF US accountable for our actions. He sees, He knows and I trust His final judgement.

      #3. I exercised my right as an American citizen to do what many others have done… I wrote a book. I can tell who has actually done the mature thing by actually reading the book, vs. those whose comments suggest that they are really simply posting random comments..

      #4. Sunday Morning Stickup what your pastor doesn’t want you to know about tithes was judged by it’s cover before it ever hit the market and the police were called into a live church service to have me physically removed against my will after I was told that the only place I could sit was in the back of the church. All this happened and there was no book, only an announcement and a cover.

      #5. My brothers and sisters in church don’t know that tithing is not required because many Pastors have been withholding the truth from them, so I wrote a book to tell a simple truth……. *God does not want 10% of your possessions He wants to possess 100% of you. Jesus paid your tithes on Calvary with the giving of His life as a tithe of humanity. God now accepts you and I because of what Jesus gave.

      The message missing from our pulpits now-a-days is this. God loves you no matter who you are or what you have/are doing. Jesus gave his life as the tithe of humanity so that you can receive all that God has for you. Jesus paid for your blessings with his life so you don’t owe any money not even 10%. Your blessings have been paid for my brother my sister. The only thing God wants from you in order for you to be blessed is your life. Keep your money in your pockets because God wants you.

      • So do YOU tithe or not?

        God gives us all free will. We can either obey his commands/instruction or not. As in all of our choices, there are consequences. (Malachi 3:9-11) I am a direct recipient of the blessings that come from the obedience of tithing. I am confused as to how you can be an Elder and not ACCEPT the ENTIRE word of God. The word is the word whether you agree with it or not and it will never change no matter how you want to spin it.

        The only people who would accept your false doctrine as truth are those who are either naive, looking for an excuse to not pay tithes or simply have not studied the word of God. I think that you have been deceived sir and I do not believe that God is pleased. I personally know too much about him to be swayed! I pray that the Lord have mercy on you which I know that he will.

        Readers, please study the scriptures that I referenced below and take heed.

        Romans 16:17-18
        Hebrews 13:9
        2 Peter 2:1
        Matthew 7:15
        Malachi 3: 9-11

        Peace, Love and Truth

        • Those are but a few scriptures. Do you know how many scriptures there are about tithing ? Have you read them in their proper context? Have you done thorough research? I believe if you did you’d see the falsey in this foctrine. Tithing is food. Always was. If you bring up Abraham you are seeing an Arab war custom take place. 10 is a number from ancient times used to enumerate so don’t get riled up because you see it there. Read in context. Study in context.

  22. I stumbled across this waste of time blog or whatever this is trying to be and completely regret losing those few minutes of my life. Not only is the content wrong, but even more offensive is your incorrect spelling and horrible grammar! Ever heard of spell-check? Did an adult write this? At first I thought it might be a type-o but as I continued to read, I see that you are just ignorant and uneducated.

    Take note :
    1. You used the word ‘sense’ it should have been ‘since’.
    2. You wrote “It has BE brought to my attention” let me now bring this to your attention, you can’t spell or write! Shall I continue?
    3. You wrote “poor into their life’s” Wrong! Should have been “POUR into their LIVES”
    4. You wrote “getting into debit” This one made me Laugh Out Loud! It’s spelled “debt”
    5. You wrote “needs” in your last sentence . Grammatically speaking it should have been “need”

    If you can’t spell correctly how do you expect your ‘writing’ to have credibility? Grab a dictionary before you try to do this again. Perhaps you tried your best to make Bishop Jakes look bad but all you managed to do was make your self look bitter and uneducated. Well done!!

    • I guess I should say something. You are accurate in your summations regarding the language as it leaves something to be desired. FunkyDineva did not write this article.

      Not sure what part of the content being referred to is “wrong”. The trauma experienced by my family Sunday morning during that live church service was very real as 4 police officers carried me out against my will for no other reason than having announced that I would be releasing a book. Since Sunday Morning Stickup was not out yet, this book was judged by its cover.

      FunkyDineva friend me on FB and then inbox me please.

      I understand that the information contained here is hurtful and difficult to embrace. As outlandish as this all may sound, we should never be so quick to dismiss what is “difficult reading” as fopaux’ish folly even when it is filled with grammatical errors.

      I’m hurt I do not deny that. I would be a fool to state otherwise. I am also strong in (HIM) Christ whom I love with all my heart. He for whom I would do anything He asks of me I am committed unto death to tell the truth………. even when it is rejected by those who claim to want to know the truth no matter what that truth is.

      David Lee EXILED from church under threat of arrest

      • Wow
        You never never never spill the beans of any orgainization when you are trusted with their secrets. The vatican, methodist, baptist, Exxon mobile all have strategies and secrets that are created and examined in group behind closed doors. I’m sure Christ had a few of those sessions also.

        We’ll you got some royalties yeah. But you have lost your honor.

        I personally would not buy your book. Because it would only reflect the bubble you lived or still are living in. Its all in your head and your head only.

        Mr. Common sense

    • AraceliB….i feel sorry for u…people are trying to open ur eyes and help save your soul…poor fool……now since you have managed to overlook any of the points made in the piece to focus on grammar and spelling….simply says to me……you cant handle the truth! The bible does say the truth is an offensive! Guess it was right!
      now go read the bible ….not the book…….meditate……..ask god to reveal the answer to you………..you will get it! error free….I promise! #dont be stupid just because u can…oh and i eft some typos for ya….can u find them? One love, one life, one god! Peace!!!

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  25. Tanglethis, exactly. And again, it’s superstitious. You could do everything in your power to avoid being raped by a stranger and you could be raped by your husband’s friend. I’m not saying that women shouldn’t take steps to be safer, but let’s be real, that’s all it is–steps to be safer, to hedge your bets; there’s no way to be utterly safe.

  26. I didn’t read the article. I thought it might be a substantive report, but when I saw the “walrus” remark I knew it was just another potshot.

    Get a life.

  27. All of these “TV” ministers are all frauds!!! Case in point Eddie Long, how can you preach with booty on ya breath? Also Dollar, how can you beat ya daughter’s ass b/c she wants to go to the club? All of them are going to bust Hell wide open!!! Yes gawd!!!

  28. This story is completely wrong. My bro in law is an elder at the potter house. there is no 1100 dollar conference fee that he charges the elders/ministers. the leadership conf they attend only is a 40 dollar registration fee. This did not occur at the main campus. It was not bishop Jakes. It happened at another one of the campus but their is two sides to every story. I have been to church services their several times and it does not take 10-12 min for offering even considering that he has a huge church they move efficiently. He is a true man of God and is not pimping people for their money. He has a job, he has endorsements, He does not need their money. If he gets paid that much to preach that’s great. He is worthy of his pay (that’s scripture). I’m pretty sure the location has to be a reasonable size when he does take an invitation due to the fact that He would attract a large crowd (its about accomodating people). I just know that this story is false and please don’t bash bishop Jakes like that. Also if some feel so strongly about not paying tithes fine to each their own; that’s between you and God but just because others may choose to pay tithes doesn’t mean that we are being pimped or we are stupid; that’s between us and God. and if a pastor is abusing your money God will deal with it; it says woe unto them that scatter my sheep, but in the end when God comes back their will be no excuse and we will all have to give an account for our own selves. Some may have been hurt by things that occurred at church or with a pastor but let us grow up and mature in Christ and know that we attend churh to worship God and him alone. Just move on and be lead by God to a place where the pastor is fair. Not every pastor/church is corrupt. Let’s be encouraged. that is all. I don’t usually comment. I just know this is false.

    • Bishop jakes came to a church in my hometown and the church took up an offering well over $200,000. All of the offering went to Bishop jakes. That’s a fact! A lot of these churches are willing to do such a thing because they want to be in his inner circle and instead of believing for the favor and blessing of God through a relationship with Him by receiving his son Jesus as your savior, they seek the hand and favor of men such as Bishop Jakes….tithening and pressure giving is of the law. I recommend reading “The great tithening scam” by Bruce wells. Clear biblical understanding how Jesus death and resurrection done away with the law which includes tithening and pressure giving.

    • Well said…thank you for the courage to speak out. The first time I ever herd Bishop T.D. Jakes speak was in 2004 at the Mega Fest in Atlanta Ga. nd my life has ever changed. Bishop Jakes definitely as the anointed of God on his life, and I’m so glad that I had an opportunity to hear him speak in person. My family and I have plans to move to Dallas Tx next year 2014 because of employment opportunities and to attend Bishop Jakes church.

  29. Not really sure who your sources are but they are quite mistaken. Being a member there for over 10 years and a faithful tither, I can say your description of our offering is totally incorrect. Instead of using his name to get readers, try attending and seeing the service for yourself.

    • @S. Robinson thank you so much family that was very well said. All i have to say is i love my Pastor and at our church “The Potters House of Dallas” we see results and things getting done. We dont have a building fund and nothing ever gets built. God told his children to give 10% we are obeying him not MAN. To My Pastor Bishop T.D. Jakes i would like to say PREACH ON BISHOP!!!! AND WE LOVE YOU!!!

      • Sorry to be the carrier of bad news: you are wrong there is no where in the Bible where God requires 10%. Study to show yourself approved rightly dividing the Word. That means you study not listening to the man of Gawd only! Someone said Snakes (Jakes) doesn’t need your money who do you think gets your tithes, love offerings(Snakes and the Misses). Just how many times have you actually had a one on one with Snakes (Jakes). So sad he keeps getting richer while most of his members live from paycheck to paycheck. Stupid sheeple. Mad Church Disease!

      • God NEVER told ANY follower of Christ to pay a tithe in the NEW testament if any of you would read the brother’s book you would see that he isnt scattering sheep he’s informing them. Tithing is a old testament system that the new testament church abuses,we learned it from the Catholic church. If Bishop Jakes doesnt NEED the money than why not give a conference for free to his elders theyve proved thier faithfulness,why pay for a edification?

  30. Honey any time.u write about some one who is beloved well known and in the spot light..won’t go over well with the public and youd get all kinds of excuses ..he’s human or whateva ..point is as a leader if this is true or not. You have a responsibility to the people in which u lead. I never said.how you lead because some.lead by deception. Its not impossible that whats being said about.t.d. Is true. He is a manand is opt to.change in appearance and stature. Why does everyone find it.hard to believe that money will change that azz.and change perspective. Right when some one speaks out then others are quick to say their lieing..what if this guy has proof. No preacher should.charge to.share.The word. Tjen word isfree . So denial hunty speak..the truth can’t be hidden. And again why is this so hard to believe that you could have been deceived. The bible said in the end of days. There would be signs and wonders to.even Deceive Gods elect and people. That don’t make u a bad Christian it makes u.human and hurt . But any hoot .don’t nothing surprise me bout no man woman rat or house kat .data

  31. We are so quick to accept the negative.

    We must remember that “some are CALLED and the others just GO.” This man just like any other man and is not exempt. He puts on his pants just like i do so he’s entitled to make mistakes and has FLAWS just like all men and women.

    We need to have a PERSONAL relationship with God our Saviour. The pastor is just a shepherd and ultimately our salvation lies with US not him. No matter what he does or says. We as individuals have the CHOICE to worship where we choose!

  32. You don’t have a private mailbox on Facebook, and you don’t have a private “contact us” site on here, so I’ve got to post this publicly on here and I honestly didn’t want to. Please forgive me.
    Come on, Dineva. I don’t mean to be mean – honestly,I don’t, but I’ve been bragging on you to my friends, telling them you wrote better than RealityTea.com writers; saying how you have an education and write great commentaries, but THIS one is so badly edited/spell-checked /reviewed that it took me twice as long to read it to understand. I am so disappointed today. Did you dictate it to someone who was typing it? (Not trying to snark, but) PLEASE, if you need a typist/editor, contact me. I am a retired English teacher, and I am willing to volunteer as your typist/editor. I live in downtown Atlanta, so…. There are so many spelling and grammatical errors – you used to not put out stuff so poorly written. Someone on RealityTea and BravoTV blogs mentioned you the other day, and I was proud, but today’s column is embarrass, Di. But, thank you for the content/info, though! Love you, CK

  33. This has the United House of Prayer For All People written all over it. Money, Money, Money. No one really has a close relationship with the leader aka Daddy _____, and no one is getting paid except the leader. And for the person (people) saying that they are a member of the Potter’s House and this is not true, I guarantee that you don’t even know T.D Jakes and has never had a conversation with him. You probably can’t even get close to him without the right amount of money, just like TUHOPFAP. O

  34. Let me just say that people are so quick to judge pastos, bishops, missionaries ETC. While I have witnessed members of the clergy abuse their position of authority by taking unneccesarily; there are MANY members of the clergy that GIVE AND GIVE AND GIVE FOR FREE. They never ask for anything in return. People these days want pastors to bury they parents, marry off they kids, and counsel them and their spouse for FREE. It is ridiculous. This man has thousands of members.. how is he to tend to them all AND work?? IF THIS WAS OPRAH OR LADY GAGA CHARGING FOR APPEARANCES OR ADVICE IT WOULDN’T EVEN BE AN ARTICLE. Additionally, can somebody please tell me what the sexual orientation of his son has to do with ANYTHING…. Please #getyolife AND YES I WROTE AN ESSAY #DOSOMETHING LOL

    • This pastors have gotten out of hand. They are not doing God’s will they are doing their will. My dad was a pastor for nearly 50 years and never once did he ever charge to do a funeral, a wedding, or to counsel anyone. He said it was his job as a minister to do it. The problem is the church has become a place of business instead of a House of Worship.

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  35. I don’t believe this…..why would this Elder still attend The Potter’s House if he ‘supposedly’ spilled the tea on TD Jakes. And with that said, whatever TD Jakes does is between he and God. I would be leery of spreading rumors.

  36. whoever saying they went to church that day need to quit…..so you telling me you went to every service and you know for a fact it did not happen, Really you better stop following that man and follow GOD!!!

  37. And that’s EXACTLY why I stopped going to church too! I and over 30 members of my family, for the past 35 years have given tithes and offerings to a church and when my father was dying and I needed help, they treated me like I was s total stranger! I’ve known them since I was 15 years old and didn’t ask for help until I was in my 40s when I was taking care of my terminally ill father. I was an usher, on the hospitality committee, created the singles ministry, and was there for them whenever they needed me. The last job my father did on this earth as a master cement mason was he was the foremen of their church building project and my brother laid the concrete foundation for that church they were building; the pastor didn’t give my dad a dime… even though he was suffering from CANCER! The pastor only paid my brother $300 DOLLARS for the entire job! Many of these so-called preachers are only in it for what they can get out of you and they use the Children of God and exploit them financially. I’m done!

    • This is a sad story. But you all are letting one “bad church” stop you all from going to church and praising??? Chile I would never ever let anybody have that much power over me. I would be up the street somewhere else getting what GOD has for me!!!

      • You are the church! The building is where you meet and you don’t have to to to the building to worship and praise God. You can actually do that in your home , car or where everyou want too. The real pproblem is most has been brainwashed to believe that the building is the church…no Chile you are the church. Stay at home and keep your money or help someone in need because those in the building sur don’t!

        • Amen Sis. You are absolutely correct Comora. I understand what AMBERFLEET is saying however I know that it’s difficult for those who go to church every Sunday to see that the number of people actually going is declining at a rapid rate. The community of individuals who love God but no longer attend church is growing. One of the reasons behind this is many Pastors have strayed so far from what the Bible teaches (Love, forgiveness, patience and Salvation…. not to mention I can’t remember the last time I heard a message about heaven). People don’t come back because they sense the change and do not want what is being offered. In many cases they come for Christ but get something completely different. I have been appearing on various national radio/television shows discussing how Pastors can stop the decline in membership and what they can do to grow the church again. Church has changed. What we are currently doing isn’t working. Nearly everyone sees it. I simply obeyed God by writing what we all see.

          Thanks for your insights!
          David Lee

    • Glynnis… I am so sorry to hear about what happened to your father and your family. Church people are not always safe to be around. I am so sorry for your family and I will be praying for your healing. I don’t even know you but I feel your heart and what you have to offer to others.

      Blessings!

    • Glynis Moore, Sis I am sorry to hear about the loss of your father. My father is still living so I can’t imagine the pain your family went through with his suffering and passing. Your story makes me want to call him right now and tell him how much I really love him.

      The church responding in the way that they did only adds more hurt and disappointment to your situation. I know you already know that was man’s doing and not God’s. You seem hurt by the things that happened but I also sense that you are mature in Him. Stay strong and know that your brother who has also gone through pain and rejection from those who have a responsibility to love and care for you is praying for you and your family. It has taken me almost the entire year to heal over their actions but although our pain is different our answer is the same…. The healing power of Our Father.

      Your brother in pain and healing!

      God’s Peace!
      David Lee

  38. This overstuffed sofa has a gap so wide he probably puts other mens’ penises in it. All he cares about is getting rich and staying on the dl. Shame on him for disowning his son.

  39. Um does Joshua Randolph have spellcheck anc grammar check? He needs to use it if so; his credibility goes way down if he can’t use either one.

  40. I attend the potters house and nothing and I do mean nothing in this write up is correct and true. You can view the service live every sunday for free and see for yourself what goes on.

    • Rosalind Nickerson and Family,

      Honestly the incident that took place really isn’t the problem. To understand the problem it is so important that we get to the root of the problem. Church has changed and one of the root causes behind this change has to do with who is standing in our pulpits. Not all Pastors are bad but I think we have to admit that our pulpits are now filled with many men and women who care nothing for the people they lead. Their focus is on becoming increasingly more wealthy. It’s because of this focus that we are experiencing the kinds of immoral and illegal actions taking place in the churches we once loved and sinners once respected. Why do you think a faithful tithe paying church member cannot get a meeting with their pastor? The challenge is not to investigate whether the story is true or not (the courts WILL decide that as that is their job). Our challenge is to investigate the truth of what is being preached to us over our pulpits. Nearly every pastor knows tithing simply isn’t required. They also know that Jesus, none of the disciples nor any church ever tithed. You can read your Bible for 1000 years and not find it because it simply is not in there. The reason many of us as Christians struggle with this is because we simply take what we are told by the Pastor as truth without doing our due diligence to read the scriptures for ourselves and verify that what the minister is saying is actually in the Bible. Many of these Pastors today are different… nothing at all like the Pastors I grew up with.

      Let me be clear on a couple facts here Sis. I love you and I love the church. It’s because of that love that I have a Godly duty to tell the truth even if it costs me my life. I was a minister up until the time they stripped me of my license. They did this and had not even read the book! Can a man truly call himself a minister of God if he refuses to tell the truth? Am I nervous about this situation? Yes I am. They have much bigger guns, resources, lawyers, judges and money than my family of 6 has.

      These are a few facts:

      #1. The Church nor the Pastor are mentioned anywhere in the entire book because the issues discussed in the book are bigger than them. I learned early in life that small minds talk about people, ignorant people talk about things they know nothing about but great people enlighten others.

      #2. The incident did happen. You can get a copy of the Parker police report as well as a copy of the lawsuit filed against them for their illegal actions taken that day. Honestly the incident is not the “real” problem. The real problem rests with “why” they responded the way in which they did. What church traumatizes small children? I don’t have a lot of money and I feel like David facing Goliath and I wish I did not have to be in this position. I pray that the courts will get to the bottom of all that took place from a legal standpoint and God that God will hold ALL OF US accountable for our actions. He sees, He knows and I trust His final judgement.

      #3. I exercised my right as an American citizen to do what many others have done… I wrote a book. I can tell who has actually done the mature thing by actually reading the book, vs. those whose comments suggest that they are really simply posting random comments..

      #4. Sunday Morning Stickup what your pastor doesn’t want you to know about tithes was judged by it’s cover before it ever hit the market and the police were called into a live church service to have me physically removed against my will after I was told that the only place I could sit was in the back of the church. All this happened and there was no book, only an announcement and a cover.

      #5. My brothers and sisters in church don’t know that tithing is not required because many Pastors have been withholding the truth from them, so I wrote a book to tell a simple truth……. *God does not want 10% of your possessions He wants to possess 100% of you. Jesus paid your tithes on Calvary with the giving of His life as a tithe of humanity. God now accepts you and I because of what Jesus gave.

      The message missing from our pulpits now-a-days is this. God loves you no matter who you are or what you have/are doing. Jesus gave his life as the tithe of humanity so that you can receive all that God has for you. Jesus paid for your blessings with his life so you don’t owe any money not even 10%. Your blessings have been paid for my brother my sister. The only thing God wants from you in order for you to be blessed is your life. Keep your money in your pockets because God wants you.

      • Amen to truth. Thank God for Saints that are not afraid of Pimps in the pulpits and have the courage to take a stand for truth! If more Saints would take a stand for truth then there would be truth spoken over the pulpit. I applaud you and thank God for you. Revolution!!!!!

      • I dont doubt that this incident happened….my confusion lies in the fact that you say the police report was taken by Parker County??? TPH is in Dallas County…..why would Parker police come out of their jurisdiction to escort you out of the building? TPH is off Moutain Creek (Loop 12) right??? Ijs

  41. See the problem is people are too busy worshipping clergy and buildings instead of worshipping the God you believe in, whatever God that may be. That’s why these kinds of things come about. I’ve seen too many corrupt clergy and too many sanctuaries just short of hell! I personally keep clear of both!

  42. Black people use that “hating each other don’t wanna see each other come up” jazz for the wrong shyt. That’s why we are so lost now. You can’t believe that this man who’s a preacher can’t do no wrong. I got the pimping spirit off him first time I saw him. Bishop , preacher these word arent in the bible. Such a lost people we are. Neither was there a verse chapter or book that said give 10% to the CHURCH! To God is says to be about his business with it. Feeding the homless helping those who need help. I pray for my people and their unhealthy love of pimps , I mean preacher , bishops , pastors , which eva one your in love with.

  43. …i was told you cant believe everything you hear when discussing the allegations regarding eddie long…boy was that a nice apology…

  44. Wolves in Sheep’s clothing…smh…Season of Revelations as the church folk say is here…Everybody’s wigs are about to be snatched…

  45. STRAIGHT LIES!!!! T.D. Jakes is a man of God and I’m surprised that people would condemn him based on the lies of 1 person!!! I have NEVER heard anything but great things about Bishop Jakes, also he makes his own money thru his books & tv production company….Haters gone Hate!!!

    • TDJakes dont force no one to give, you give what your heart tells to give, before anyone can spill T, PLEASE SEE FOR YOURSELF, online every Sunday ”free”…wwwtdjakes.org…9cst,8 est….

    • So if everything is a lie why take an offering at all! Jakes could pay for it all just from his tithes alone. But you already know that will never happen. Stop defending this wolf except the truth he’s not the grat and wonderful as all his members here want us to believe. It is what it is a wolf clothed as a Shepard running a big business when thedoors are open and when the doors are closed. It’s iimpossible to see that you are being pimped when you love your pimp more than you love God or should I say god because Jakes is their God!

  46. it is simply amazing how we tend to look for the worse in everyone who is doing better than us. while we are saying that a preachers son is gay on a man’s page who dresses in drag for entertainment purposes. TD Jakes is a pimp. Beyonce is a devil worshiper. Oprah is gay. And here you are with no life other than to pass judgements on things you read but have no concrete evidence of and even if you did you cant control it. this is what black people do to each other. we do it in our own families and with our friends. as long as everyone is at the bottom with you its fine, when they rise we assume everyone is scheming. that is what is the T.

  47. These prosperity preachers will eventually feel the wrath of God. I can’t wait to see these greedy eastwards fall.

    • There is nothing and no one to fear but GOD!! Talking about T.D Jakes is not going to cause someone to get hit by a bus tomorrow. So stop with the fake scary stuff. So you can stop with the empty threats of, “don’t mess with God’s anointed”. You have no clue if he’s anointed. I am almost positive he will not preach anywhere for free. Jesus walked the streets and preached and never requested a dime, why can’t he do the same. And no one was more anointed than the SAVIOR.

      • @Sugary Sweet: I totally agree with you. I don’t think a lot of the people who are so “sanctified” know what the word means…it means “set aside for God’s purposes and tasks as His worker”…they think sanctified means “whooping and hollering and falling on the floor”. Having said that, I don’t think those sanctified folks who worship these self-appointed bishops and “Dr. so-and-so”s have true discernment to know the difference between a pimp and a preacher. If they did have discernment, they would not be condemning Dineva’s appearance because of a story generated in a book by a member. Besides, watching something on TV does not make it facts, so we don’t KNOW what happens on the cutting room floor after a service has been videotaped. We black folks KNOW that no “black” church only lasts one (1) hour! Things are cut out of every single service, things that are “personal” such as new members joining, church financial problems like “we didn’t reach our budget last week”, and so many other things. How silly of some commenters to think everything that happens in a church service is filmed and shown on TV! We would not have seen an elder being escorted out of the church!!!!! TDJakes would have lost half his viewing audience if we had seen the wrath of Jakes on-screen! So you can’t call it a lie unless you attended every 8, 10, 12 Sunday, and every Wednesday night Bible study, Women’s or Men’s or Youth group gathering during the week!!!If you did attend every single service at Jakes’ church,then you shouldn’t be on this website reading or writing or judging the “tea” or the one pouring it!

        • Now you better Preach!!!! Folks need to stop putting so much faith in ANY man!! Build a relationship with The Lord, if you do that you can’t go wrong #AintNobodyWentToEveryService so #ThisVeryWellCouldHaveHappened

          • I am from Dallas and I attended TPH and it was not fulfilling for me at all. The service felt like he had the whole congregation involved in the pimping. This man does nothing for free. He has used the sacred testimony of members to write books, fund his company, and makes the members feel they are all apart of the movement when they are not even getting a pay cut. I play piano for a church and i tell them i play for the lord. The members desire to give me money and i put it right back in the collection plate. My talent was given by God for me to share with those who need to be uplifted. I work a 9-5 to make a living. The good Bishop should try that and see how his blessings flow.

        • “CK” you said a mouth full and all of it is the truth! Most “church folks” (notice I didn’t say saints) protect
          their pimps because that’s who they have their faith in. I don’t believe they know are have a relationship with Him (Christ). Keep the truth before them through God’s grace they might come to Him before it is to late.

    • Who says that TD Jakes is anointed? What do you think best describes him as anointed. Please qualify your statement. The Bible says that: Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? Yet this so-called anointed preacher fellowshipped Oprah. I guess he didn’t learn anything from the Bible. Remember King Jehoshaphat and his alliance with wicked King Ahab almost cost him his life. I am afraid TD has sold his anointing for notoriety.

  48. Thanks for the teas! Im gon hafta cosign with Golden, tho…the typos ARE distracting. Iv ben a fan long enough to know ur work..tell ur intern to please use spell check.

  49. So, when did this escorting out happen? I go to this church and have not seen anyone being escorted out in recent weeks. I’ve also never heard of this particular elder. They have more than 100 ministers on staff at the church. And no, there are no ATM’s in the church. There is an ATM in the bookstore, which is only open and at the end of service. Yes, there are costs for the conventions, but they are not required. Anyone taking out Payday loans, etc., are trying to be seen, and NOT get close to God.

  50. Your message is a good and necessary one. Having worked for a large urban ministry, I know what happens behind the scenes first hand. Only one thing though, please spell check; having errors in your copy detracts from your message.

    • I agree 100% Golden. I think Dineva was re:posting an article from another website but I had to stop halfway through to double check because the spelling errors and bad grammar were too much.

  51. A WHOLE LOT Of SECRETS APRIL and before the Don’t Judge Line Dancers start flapping their key strokes……..NO ONE IS EXEMPT FROM EXPOSURE AND CORRECTION, EVEN THE TD JAKES……..NO MAN IS THE MOST HIGH GOD……NONE!!!

  52. Jakes thought they were embarrassing the elder. All they did was give that man a LOT more sales, and a reason to print some chapters he was holding back.

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