White FSU Student Implies Blacks Belong At FAMU, Calls Them Monkeys. HBCUs, PWIs, and White Supremacy

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The thoughts and opinions expressed in this post solely belong to Anti intellect – FUNKY DINEVA DID NOT WRITE THIS

We do not live in a post-racial society. There is no sector of our society that has not been touched by racist ideology and practice. The consequences of white supremacist thinking–the holding of White culture, White history, and White people as supreme–can be found all over our society. We would like to believe that college campuses are places in society where racism does not manifest itself. This naive belief is buttressed by the belief that racism is “stupid” and “dumb,” and that enlightened and intelligent people are less likely to be racist. This is simply untrue. Just as racism has been a daily practice and habit, it has also been a scholarly pursuit. Racism and white supremacy has more to do with ignorance rather than lack of intelligence, and many intelligent people can be ignorant.

We live in an American society that is growing increasingly digital. Social media platforms like Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Facebook, and Vine are starting to consume more and more of our daily lives. We use these platforms to reflect on our lives and daily experiences and, for the most part, these musings remain benign. However, people are also using these platforms to share their ignorant thinking with the world. Not a day goes by, it seems, without someone using a social media platform to share their racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, or classist thoughts. Recently, a White student at FSU named Mandy Thurston used her Vine account to post racist comments about the prevalence of Black students on FSU’s campus. Thurston posted a picture of Black students in the Student Union with the caption, “Welcome to FAMU… I mean FSU” as the caption. While incidents like this are widespread across the college landscape, I do think this incident is an important launchpad for discussing HBCUs, PWIs, and white supremacy.

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Black students at Predominately White Institutions (PWIs) deserve to be there like any other student. The idea that PWI campuses belong to White students and White students alone is a white supremacist viewpoint that has been consistently challenged by Black students for decades. White students like Thurston are just going to have to accept the fact they have to share their campuses with students who are not White. If White students cannot deal with that then perhaps they should not be in college.

indexI also want to talk to Black students though. We have every right to attend any institution of our choosing, but we must begin to value our own institutions. One response to Thurston’s ignorant comments was, “This is why FSU even after 50 years of integration, FSU still needs organizations like the Black Student Union, Black Law Student Association, and the Dream Defenders.” This is absolutely true. Black students need Black organizations on campus that they can use to leverage their collective power on campus. I would have also liked to see the need for HBCUs mentioned in response to Thurston’s comments. Black students do not just need Black organizations on White campuses, Black students also need Black colleges.

White students have no issue believing in the superiority of PWIs, but Black students are often torn when it comes to HBCUs. White supremacy has continually messaged to us that HBCUs are inferior institutions. Stereotypes like HBCUs lack diversity, HBCUs are party schools, and HBCUs provide inferior educations all exist to keep Black students privileging White colleges and universities over Black ones. Sadly, most Black students look down on HBCUs. We are often taught to praise PWIs. It’s actually a wonder that any Black students attend HBCUs, considering the near societal-wide contempt for HBCUs. We are taught to have contempt for HBCUs because people have contempt for Black people and Black students. It all flows from the same white supremacist source.

As Toni Morrison says, “There are many ways to destabilize racism.” It is important for Black students to have organizations on PWI campuses and it is equally important, if not more important, for Black students to value HBCUs. We need both of these things at work to deal with the Mandy Thurston’s of the world.

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FSU and FAMU Alums and students are calling and emailing appropriate officials demanding that the student be put on probation and the University come up with an updated diversity policy/action plan.  Contact numbers are below. Please share with other Alums.

Dean of Students:
Jeanine Ward-Roof
jwardroof@admin.fsu.edu

Student Affairs and President’s office numbers:  850-644-1085, 850-644-4989.

NOTE: Funky Dineva a graduate of FSU- Anti Intellect a graduate of FAMU

 

76 thoughts on “White FSU Student Implies Blacks Belong At FAMU, Calls Them Monkeys. HBCUs, PWIs, and White Supremacy

  1. It doesn’t surprise me….coming out of Fla. There always seems to be some ridiculousness on television coming from this region; but to be fair, these are the only stories we see and hear through the media, which doesn’t help the archaic (and, I’m sure, inaccurate) racist rhetoric of Southerners, overall. Never mind, that these…’monkeys’, as it was so eloquently put, have been accepted into the same educational institution as Ms. Thurston has. Or that many can maintain the ability to remain until graduation, without scholarships or affirmative action. Living in the South, myself, I more than understand the media/national portrayal of who they assume us to be. We are uneducated, lazy, slack-jawed, inter-related bumpkins. With our horrible teeth and delayed Southern drawls, we ‘um’, ‘err’ and ‘y’all’ our way through news interviews and ‘reality-based’ television shows, whilst butchering rules of grammar and diction, as our diaper-laden, shoeless ‘young’uns’ play in the background on old sofas and defunct cars. Though, I’m sure these stereotypes exist, to a certain extent (for if they didn’t, we wouldn’t have them linger for so long), the difference is that, these are some of the ONLY views that the rest of the world are privy to. And so, there are many ‘Mandys’ (breathing air unnecessarily) that it is impossible, if not improbable, to eradicate the idea of racism/ignorance/bigotry/etc. However, it improves when we learn to deal with them with dignity and poise. Why should we give these fools any more attention than they deserve? So, let them have their opinions. It doesn’t make them right or any more or less true. What it DOES show is their limited level of thinking, rationality and inability of individual assessment and conclusion (ironically, traits that can be likened to lesser beings….’monkeys’, perhaps, Mandy?). I see and hear racist remarks on a daily basis (through media, social networks, etc.) from many races of people, but I refuse to let any of that shape my views or the way I live my life; for I am an individual, and think as such. So, I thank you, ‘Mandy’, for your honesty; I thank you for your blatant display of stupidity (as a warning to us all, unlike yourself, to steer clear of said stupidity); and I commend your right to exercise your freedom of speech, as upheld by our government and fought for by my Marine son….my African-American Marine son. On his behalf, you’re welcomed, you small-minded dullard.

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  4. I graduated from FAMU and lived across the street from FSU. I would love to come back there and do some post graduate studies twenty years later. I’ve been a part of both great institutions and have met and worked with the great students and faculty of both. In the city of Tallahassee everyone works together to better the city in general. It is highly likely that this student is from the area but chose to go to school there.

    I just hope that she doesn’t get the Johnny Manziel slap on the wrist. Suspend her for the semester or the year. If she wants back in, then have her take mandatory diversity classes or something of that nature. Do not refund her already paid tuition and maybe then she will understand that it is ok to voice your opinion to your friends but definitely not ok to do it on social media when it has to deal with race, creed, color, or religion.

      • Everyone has the right of freedom of speech as stated, but at the same time at all higher education institutions of choice there is that code of conduct. she has the right to say whatever she wants, but does subject herself to the backlash of that. I am sure that FSU has to continue to protect their institution as they see fit.

      • Yet ANOTHER person proves that the first amendment needs to be re-written for the mentally challenged. Freedom of Speech protects one from govt persecution or imprisonment. It does NOT protect you from the consequences of your stupid remarks. So if you want to say racist things in a public forum, your employer or university or political consituents have a right to distance themselves from you.

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  6. I knew my Noles wouldn’t stand for this! We are a diverse institution that partners with FAMU. We consider them our sister school and share the College of Engineering with them. I am a proud black FSU alum, and I want to let it be known that this girl does not represent the overall mindset of the university. I had nothing but good times at FSU. Here is the email that FSU sent out to all of their students following this incident:

    Vice President for Student Affairs Dr. Mary Coburn and Student Body President Rosie Contreras and issued a joint statement via email sent to all Florida State students. “Florida State has zero tolerance for racist speech, no matter which medium is used to communicate the message,” stated the email. “Please be assured that the University is investigating this situation and will take appropriate action within University policy.”

  7. I am a graduate of FAMU and I’ve seen students from FSU dropped out of school because they flunked out of school, or they have kids. It happens at FAMU also. That’s the student choice. When you send your child to school, all you can do is hope and pray you taught them right from wrong.

  8. This is disheartening. Why does it matter the topic of racism? Why must groups of people act like others are inferior. We are human so does it matter? It just shows us other’s insecurities not only their ignorance. I am not going to lie, I felt that HBCUs were inferior because very rare are HBCU’s highlighted in a positive light. So if you see negatives you want to go towards something positive to try to be reflected in that light. My opinions have change dramatically, HBC’Us have taken care of me in many ways and given the tools I need to survive. I just hope she can bounce back from this.

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  10. All I’m going to say about this is good luck to Mandy Thurston on finding a job because now her name is everywhere on the internet!

    She hates us so much, now she can know what it feels like for someone to judge her without even knowing her.

      • It’s not justification, it’s Karma. A general rule in life is watch what you do to others (especially in this age of technology) because it Will come back on you…..one way or another. And that goes for everyone

        • True! Mandy does not yet know America – and Europe – are becoming less White. I say “good luck with that attitude going forward, Chile”.

  11. I am a NOLE through and through. Started there in 2001 and I cannot believe some of these comments about HBCUs. I have two cousins that elected to go to HBCUs but some of you are focused on the wrong things. While we are trying to focus on being black, I see some downing others for their choice of attending a PWI. I could have gone to FAMU but I decided against it because I wanted more of a “real world” experience as well as diversity. These types of topics cannot go well between PWI and HBCU students/alumni because there will always be “elitism” over one or the other.

    During my years, I have had the best times of my life. For someone who prefers to hang with everyone of any color, my organizations were all mixed. I never joined any majority black orgs on campus yet I am in a D9 sorority now that I am graduated. The point is this: racism isn’t just on white campuses, it lurks on black ones as well. Don’t let one person clog your mind about how PWIs are this and that. I hope this reaches you all well in the hope that we can get past this issue.

    GO NOLES! C/O 2011

  12. I have to agree with the statement that African Americans frown upon HBCU’s I don’t think that’s true. Unfortunately most of these schools are south. My daughters only dream was to attend an HBCU she applied and got accepted. She couldnt have been more excited. That excitement was short lived after being laid off. I could no longer afford to send her out of state. And no one at that school was willing to help us find more money. She had to settle on the university of Minnesota where she qualified for more money and resident tuition. Had the money been available she would have attended an HBCU.

  13. I felt that this was simply ignorant! I mean most non African descendants who project this hate towards African American have the slightest of clue or reason as to why!!!!! Its really sad that majority of them are given a set of negative stereotypes about AA ppl at birth and they carry it hidden for so long! But for some reason social media has granted their unintelligent uncouth tails balls to let it all hang out so with that being said the power of google has granted me the balls to post her phone number on IG I have her address I’d never post that so call her out on her stank!!!

  14. As a black student at FSU, I can honestly say that this is one of the friendliest campuses I have ever been on. People like Mandy are a rarity. I honestly hope and pray she is able to appreciate other people of different background then her because life is going to be very hard for her if she doesn’t wise up.

    • Agreed! FSU has a very diverse and inclusive campus. FAMU is even our sister school! FSU and FAMU share the College of Engineering. I loved the four years I spent there. As a black student, I never felt any sort of racism on campus. I am very sad to see this one ignorant girl tarnishing FSU’s name. She is most definitely the exception to the rule. Market Wednesdays were something to look forward to by all the students, not just the black ones. She clearly needs a wake up call, and this just may be it for her.

    • People like Mandy are NOT A RARITY. The sooner Black people understand this the sooner we can deal with racism/white domination. This student does a good service because too many believe that it’s just older white folk who are a problem – that once they die off racism will too. She does a good service because many believe that it’s just white males who are racist and give white females a pass. This is good. I prefer whites who are not covert with their b.s.

      • Nope, you create people who hate black people EVERY DAY.

        Look at the crime stats 80% of violent crimes are done by blacks.

        Who only make up around 18% of the united states.

        Whites don’t create racists….YOUR KIND DOES.

        • 80% of violent crime is committed by someone of the victim’s ethnic group (umless they’re Asian). African Americans are no different than the majority of the greater American population.

          • WRONG…..

            blacks make up 80% of the violent crimes in the US.

            not by demographic, not by geographic.

            END OF STORY.

            We are talking the entire US of A.

            Infact, the FBI lumps in whites with hispanics to boost the white violent crime ratio.

            So…again….argue facts.

            PS, nice try to say “from the same ethinicity group” WRONG. But it was a good try.

          • I’ll type his slowly so you can undertand this: 80 out of 100 violence victims of African American perpetrators are African American. How does that create racism in your tiny mind?

          • Arm yourself with information -http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43#disablemobile

            I think you maybe confusing arrests with committing a crime, which are different things entirely.

  15. I am a white student at The Florida State University, and I am just as upset about this incident. I have lots of friends that are offended by this and i hate that this girl brings such a negative light to my beloved institution, my fellow students, and academia as a whole. I wish we could all be more open minded…

  16. My daughter recently went on a college tour and came home bragging about the diversity at FSU I told her to apply there and not FAMU because all of the kids in my neighborhood that went to FAMU came home with nothing but debt and pregnant.

    • Maybe you should move out of that neighborhood because me along with all my friends that went to FAMU came home with graduate degrees.

    • That is not a reflection of FAMU, that’s a projection on your daughter. Think higher of yourself and your offspring. -FAMU Grad

    • It’s funny you said that to your child. I went to FAMU and graduated without debt, and it was my best friend who went to FSU who got pregnant her freshman year. It’s not an institutional problem; it’s a personal choice. Anyone can have unprotected sex at any institution. But if that’s your reality… BTW, my first pregnancy was at age 33 after I had married and earned my Doctorate. Go figure!

    • Sorry but maybemost of the people u know that went to FAMU had similar mindsets hence they did similar things i.e. have unprotected sex & focus on partying over school. U also fail to realize that these things happen on most college campuses. In response tothe article college hopefuls need to do their research on schools & decide what’s best for them. I am a huge FSU football fan but after some research discovered FAMU business school grads were getting awesome job opportunities so I chose to attend FAMU over FSU for this reason. And for anyone wondering I was got into both schools. GO RATTLERS!

      • You def. chose the right school for business. Had that been my major FAMU def. would have been my first choice every business graduate has a job opportunity waiting, that’s the thing research is the key. I chose FSU because I felt it would be beneficial to my major. That’s the first thing I hope her daughter should check which school provides the best education geared towards her major. Financial aid is a big thing as well. Please don’t base a whole institution on the decisions of the people who live around you. That was their choice to not take their studies seriously and end up pregnant. Anyway I have family ties at both school and I always say I bleed garnet and gold spotted with orange and green b/c FAMU is apart of my childhood. This is sad and I’m hoping she gets probation at least. I have to admit since I found out she has the same major as me I have been more aware in my classes, thank God she isn’t in any of them. GO NOLES!

    • What an ignorant statement, Stacy Johnson. I came home from FAMU with not one, but two degrees….and a six-figure income. I just know for a fact that my peers on FAMU’s campus never hash tagged #monkeyseverywhere when taking Vine or Instagram photos of us hanging out on campus. *BRAG about that* smh

  17. During my time there, I thank God that I did not experience such racist bigots. Besides, who do you think make FSU who they are today? Who do we see running across Doak Campbell Stadium and making phenomenal rankings/statistics? Right, us! But the funny thing is how individuals like ´Miss Thang´ are the ones who throw themselves at the blacks and especially athletes. I wear my garnet and gold just the same as her or even better!

  18. Wow. Ugly on the outside and the inside. Total waste of humanity. Banish her back to the trailer park she came from, and give her a pack of Marlboro Lights and a Pabst.

  19. …And that is why I love HBCU alums! We’ll read you for intellectual filth and still send our wayward cousin over there to slap-a-hoe.

    - Good day sir

  20. Racist people have so much to say on social networks but once their message is out they run and hide!! If that´s how you feel stand behind your words and not be a coward!! #throwrocksandthenhideyourhands

    • By making such a generalization, you become just as bad as Thurston. MOST white people DON’T agree with her or think that way. As an FSU student I’m embarrassed by her and hope that people realize this is NOT the general attitude of the FSU campus. This is one of the most racially diverse and accepting campuses I know of and I am proud to be a student here.

  21. This ignorance right here is sad. What’s even worse I guarantee you anyone of these ratchet asses are in POTBELLYS, BAJAS, THE MOON (sat nights grown folks) How are you going to….. I’m just gonna pray for you all.. Smh

    • You seem like a very irrational person. Punch someone in the face and commit an act of violence because you don’t like what they said. You’re going to get very far in life with that mentality. Oh, and when you call a woman a wench, you only degrade yourself as a female you silly fool. Look up the history behind the word.

  22. The poster never degraded any school if you read the entire post. They simply stated that is how some view HBCU’s and the overall stereotype that they have been given. HBCU’s have produced many prominant Black Americans.

    ‘ White supremacy has continually messaged to us that HBCUs are inferior institutions. Stereotypes like HBCUs lack diversity, HBCUs are party schools, and HBCUs provide inferior educations all exist to keep Black students privileging White colleges and universities over Black ones. Sadly, most Black students look down on HBCUs. We are often taught to praise PWIs. It’s actually a wonder that any Black students attend HBCUs, considering the near societal-wide contempt for HBCUs. We are taught to have contempt for HBCUs because people have contempt for Black people and Black students. It all flows from the same white supremacist source.

    • I am not degrading the author I am simply addressing African Americans who put down HBCUS. I cant begin to tell you howm much flack I took for attending and continuing my education at HBCU’S.

  23. I attended Bethune Cookman University where I Graduated with honors with a double major in English and Public Relations. I then attended FAMU where I will be graduating spring 2014 with a double major in Chemistry and Molecular Biology, and I just was accepted into the upcoming 2018 class at Meharry Medical School. So please don’t tell me that HBCU’s don’t produce successful African Americans. I am the daughter of two HBCU graduates who are an engineer and surgeon respectively. Choose any college you want,but don’t degrade the very schools which educated the people who are responsible for you even being allowed at PWI’S!!!

  24. As soon as I saw this I thought of you!!! Lol As pitiful as this is, it doesn´t represent FSU as a whole or my experience there. Just as I told a friend, this is unfortunately the world we still live in. Just because their doing the Tomahawk Chop with you doesn´t mean that they don´t have a white sheet with the eyes cut out in their purse!!! TUH!!!

    • Say that !!! If you are lucky enough to be accepted to FSU, take full advantage of what is offered there and get your degree !! There are plenty more Mandys in this world, so get yours while the gettin’ is good !! And still I say, Go ‘Noles

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